1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,095 --> 00:01:13,638 [♪♪♪] 4 00:01:13,638 --> 00:01:16,293 CHARLES: This is not like a psychiatric unit 5 00:01:16,293 --> 00:01:20,993 at a general hospital where you would take your mother. 6 00:01:20,993 --> 00:01:23,561 SHARRON: Listen to me. 7 00:01:23,561 --> 00:01:25,694 JUSTINE: Get out of the room, fuck you! 8 00:01:25,694 --> 00:01:27,435 I'm going to hit you! 9 00:01:27,435 --> 00:01:29,524 You're yelling.I'm angry! 10 00:01:33,354 --> 00:01:36,008 Okay, she's yelling. 11 00:01:36,008 --> 00:01:38,228 Hang on. Justine and Richard. 12 00:01:38,228 --> 00:01:40,012 Won't turn his radio down. 13 00:01:40,012 --> 00:01:41,231 Okay, come with me.But he won't turn his - 14 00:01:41,231 --> 00:01:43,407 Just come with me.[Growls] 15 00:01:43,407 --> 00:01:45,061 That's notgoing to help you.Well I'm fucking mad right now! 16 00:01:45,061 --> 00:01:46,280 Can we leave this? 17 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,064 He's telling me he's going to punch me - 18 00:01:48,064 --> 00:01:48,804 Can we leave this?He's telling me to leave the front room. 19 00:01:48,804 --> 00:01:51,633 What do you want me to do? 20 00:01:51,633 --> 00:01:52,634 Justine?He won't turn it down. 21 00:01:52,634 --> 00:01:55,071 He won't do anything. 22 00:01:55,071 --> 00:01:56,551 You're not listening right now. 23 00:01:56,551 --> 00:01:58,161 You're yelling. 24 00:01:58,161 --> 00:01:59,902 Yes I am yelling 'cause I'm very mad. 25 00:01:59,902 --> 00:02:01,164 You're not using your rational thinking. 26 00:02:01,164 --> 00:02:02,905 I need you to calm down. 27 00:02:02,905 --> 00:02:04,646 Walk with me so the guys can deal with him. 28 00:02:04,646 --> 00:02:06,213 Come with me. 29 00:02:06,213 --> 00:02:08,128 CHARLES: The Brockville Mental Health Centre 30 00:02:08,128 --> 00:02:09,868 is strictly a forensic psychiatry unit, 31 00:02:09,868 --> 00:02:13,176 which means every client here 32 00:02:13,176 --> 00:02:15,265 has some sort of criminal charge. 33 00:02:15,265 --> 00:02:17,572 Well then take it away from him. 34 00:02:17,572 --> 00:02:19,835 Listen, you need to not yell right now. 35 00:02:19,835 --> 00:02:20,705 You're yelling at me.Well take it away from him then. 36 00:02:20,705 --> 00:02:21,663 SHARRON: They've stirred up a lot of emotion 37 00:02:21,663 --> 00:02:24,144 with the male patients 38 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:25,928 and the particular male believes 39 00:02:25,928 --> 00:02:28,060 and is paranoid that the girls are yelling at him, 40 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:31,499 problematic with him, they're causing him problems. 41 00:02:31,499 --> 00:02:33,196 So he was very agitated, very angry. 42 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:38,462 RICHARD: I love the radio. 43 00:02:38,462 --> 00:02:40,464 JUSTINE: It's loud, though. 44 00:02:40,464 --> 00:02:42,771 SHARRON: Justine - no. 45 00:02:42,771 --> 00:02:45,426 RICHARD: It's none ofyour business, you.It's not going to help by yelling, okay? 46 00:02:45,426 --> 00:02:48,080 I've seen lots of violence over the years. 47 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,170 Serious violence. 48 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:52,520 We've had murders on this floor. 49 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,827 LaFRANCE: Whenever she had asked me to speak to him I did. 50 00:02:55,827 --> 00:02:57,873 And I said, "Richard," in French, I said to him, 51 00:02:57,873 --> 00:02:58,961 "please turn down the radio. 52 00:02:58,961 --> 00:03:01,050 They're trying to watch TV." 53 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:02,704 And he did. 54 00:03:02,704 --> 00:03:04,096 And still it wasn't good enough for her. 55 00:03:04,096 --> 00:03:06,882 She just - she was fixated on that 56 00:03:06,882 --> 00:03:09,232 and she decided well I'm going to, 57 00:03:09,232 --> 00:03:10,277 I'm going to go for it and she did. 58 00:03:10,277 --> 00:03:12,888 But the thing was, she wasn't expecting 59 00:03:12,888 --> 00:03:15,456 the retaliation he was ready to give her. 60 00:03:15,456 --> 00:03:16,848 And I think he scared her. 61 00:03:16,848 --> 00:03:19,068 He did. She said he scared her. 62 00:03:19,068 --> 00:03:21,026 But I told her, and I've told her many times, 63 00:03:21,026 --> 00:03:22,071 I said, 64 00:03:22,071 --> 00:03:23,159 "You're not on a unit where you 65 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:24,639 don't think you're going to get hurt." 66 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,250 I said, "That's your first mistake because on this unit 67 00:03:27,250 --> 00:03:29,078 it could happen very, very quickly." 68 00:03:29,078 --> 00:03:31,080 My biggest concern is that she removes herself 69 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,125 from the situation when it escalates like that. 70 00:03:40,263 --> 00:04:00,283 [♪♪♪] 71 00:04:00,283 --> 00:04:02,242 DEBBIE: The majority of people who 72 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:04,983 have a diagnosis of schizophrenia, 73 00:04:04,983 --> 00:04:07,551 they don't have violent tendencies. 74 00:04:07,551 --> 00:04:12,295 But all our patients at some point displayed violence. 75 00:04:12,295 --> 00:04:14,254 They're stable, they're fine, 76 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:15,342 but the potential for violence 77 00:04:15,342 --> 00:04:17,169 is what got them here in the first place, 78 00:04:17,169 --> 00:04:19,868 not just because they were schizophrenic, 79 00:04:19,868 --> 00:04:21,870 because they were violent. 80 00:04:21,870 --> 00:04:51,247 [♪♪♪] 81 00:04:51,247 --> 00:04:53,031 DR. BRADFORD: Michael's a very warm, 82 00:04:53,031 --> 00:04:55,033 intelligent young man, 83 00:04:55,033 --> 00:04:56,992 struggling with a devastating illness 84 00:04:56,992 --> 00:04:58,950 which is schizophrenia. 85 00:04:58,950 --> 00:05:01,649 We have been able get him 86 00:05:01,649 --> 00:05:03,781 quite well but never into recovery. 87 00:05:08,003 --> 00:05:09,744 Essentially what's been going on with Michael 88 00:05:09,744 --> 00:05:11,180 is that he has become 89 00:05:11,180 --> 00:05:16,446 quite sensitive in social situations. 90 00:05:16,446 --> 00:05:18,753 It's not really paranoia in the sense that 91 00:05:18,753 --> 00:05:21,059 you think somebody's going to harm you. 92 00:05:21,059 --> 00:05:24,367 It goes back to he has a feeling 93 00:05:24,367 --> 00:05:25,150 that people know what he did. 94 00:05:44,692 --> 00:05:46,389 MIKE: As a new patient, 95 00:05:46,389 --> 00:05:48,391 generally speaking, they'll put you up. 96 00:05:48,391 --> 00:05:52,656 They'll start you up on the fourth floor. 97 00:05:52,656 --> 00:05:54,832 It's like school. 98 00:05:54,832 --> 00:05:59,097 B3 nor - B4 south is grade 1, 99 00:05:59,097 --> 00:06:03,406 B3 north is B2, or is grade 2, 100 00:06:03,406 --> 00:06:07,105 down here south is 3 and what I'm on is 4 101 00:06:07,105 --> 00:06:09,804 and you want to get out of here. 102 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:20,336 This is the most secure unit of the four in FTU. 103 00:06:20,336 --> 00:06:26,124 They're pretty caged in for the time being. 104 00:06:26,124 --> 00:06:29,214 They could come in on a serious crime, 105 00:06:29,214 --> 00:06:32,522 the staff wants to know if... 106 00:06:32,522 --> 00:06:34,481 they don't want anything else to happen, 107 00:06:34,481 --> 00:06:36,004 anything else negative. 108 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:42,532 They're strangers to each other too, 109 00:06:42,532 --> 00:06:47,407 so there's a threat that exists between copatients 110 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:49,365 just as there's a threat 111 00:06:49,365 --> 00:06:52,934 between the staff and the patients at times. 112 00:06:52,934 --> 00:06:57,417 So it can be a hostile area. 113 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:59,070 NURSE: Have you got a blanket? 114 00:06:59,070 --> 00:07:02,683 CHARLES: These are our most dangerous, 115 00:07:02,683 --> 00:07:05,686 most unpredictable fellows at this end. 116 00:07:05,686 --> 00:07:09,167 DEBBIE: We'd like some more guys up before we open that door. 117 00:07:09,167 --> 00:07:12,170 LaFRANCE: I don't think he even knows where he is at all. 118 00:07:12,170 --> 00:07:15,173 No, no, I don't think he knows what's even going on. 119 00:07:15,173 --> 00:07:18,829 Most of them are new people that we don't know that well 120 00:07:18,829 --> 00:07:22,267 and they haven't been stabilized on meds. 121 00:07:22,267 --> 00:07:24,400 DEBBIE: He's very unpredictable. 122 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,924 Very, very ill. 123 00:07:26,924 --> 00:07:30,145 LaFRANCE: He's just very sick. 124 00:07:30,145 --> 00:07:33,931 Could be very frightening if you weren't psychotic. 125 00:07:33,931 --> 00:07:35,280 And if you happened to come in, 126 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,326 and you're in for an assessment, 127 00:07:37,326 --> 00:07:38,849 and you aren't horribly psychotic, 128 00:07:38,849 --> 00:07:41,156 I imagine it would be 129 00:07:41,156 --> 00:07:45,247 just a very frightening visit to the circus. 130 00:07:45,247 --> 00:07:51,862 [♪♪♪] 131 00:07:51,862 --> 00:07:54,038 MIKE: And then over here we have 132 00:07:54,038 --> 00:07:57,999 the nursing station, the care station. 133 00:07:57,999 --> 00:08:01,916 There are a lot of patients to take care of, 134 00:08:01,916 --> 00:08:04,745 and we have lots of needs. 135 00:08:04,745 --> 00:08:07,791 Things seem to be pretty quiet right now so we're - 136 00:08:07,791 --> 00:08:09,401 I don't know, the patients, 137 00:08:09,401 --> 00:08:11,578 everyone's behaving themselves for the most part. 138 00:08:11,578 --> 00:08:13,841 If someone causes trouble, 139 00:08:13,841 --> 00:08:17,497 the first thing they'll do is they'll close this door here, 140 00:08:17,497 --> 00:08:20,325 thus barricading themselves into the nursing station 141 00:08:20,325 --> 00:08:22,502 if worst comes to worst. 142 00:08:34,862 --> 00:08:35,819 JOHN KASTNER: Tell me about this program group, 143 00:08:35,819 --> 00:08:38,561 what do you take in it? 144 00:08:38,561 --> 00:08:41,825 The one I just finished was called... 145 00:08:41,825 --> 00:08:44,785 Symptom Management. 146 00:08:44,785 --> 00:08:48,136 Do they talk to you about if your voices return? 147 00:08:48,136 --> 00:08:49,877 How to handle that? 148 00:08:49,877 --> 00:08:53,097 Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. 149 00:08:53,097 --> 00:08:55,404 What do they teach you about that? 150 00:08:55,404 --> 00:08:57,928 They ask you, does it sound like 151 00:08:57,928 --> 00:08:59,713 there's a person talking to you 152 00:08:59,713 --> 00:09:00,670 or does it sound like it's in your head? 153 00:09:00,670 --> 00:09:03,107 And you answer, no, 154 00:09:03,107 --> 00:09:04,456 I think it's the person talking to me, or whatever. 155 00:09:04,456 --> 00:09:10,158 They ask you what they say, what the voices say. 156 00:09:10,158 --> 00:09:12,160 You tell them they say, 157 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,205 "I hate you," or "I love you," 158 00:09:14,205 --> 00:09:16,773 or whatever they say, you know? 159 00:09:16,773 --> 00:09:19,036 SUSAN JANSMAN: Can you tell the difference when 160 00:09:19,036 --> 00:09:22,300 the voices are real and when they're not real? 161 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:24,694 I know my sister is here. 162 00:09:24,694 --> 00:09:26,696 I can tell. 163 00:09:26,696 --> 00:09:28,959 I know my sister's temper. 164 00:09:28,959 --> 00:09:30,787 You know your sister's here? 165 00:09:30,787 --> 00:09:32,920 And it scares me because 166 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,837 I know she thinks I'm a loser. 167 00:09:36,837 --> 00:09:37,359 Okay, but is your sister here? 168 00:09:37,359 --> 00:09:38,447 No. 169 00:09:38,447 --> 00:09:40,710 She's not? 170 00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:42,582 I don't know. I'm not sure. 171 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:43,844 Okay, do you see her anywhere around? 172 00:09:43,844 --> 00:09:45,497 No, but I hear her voice. 173 00:09:45,497 --> 00:09:47,325 I recognize her. 174 00:09:47,325 --> 00:09:50,154 So can you tell that those voices aren't real? 175 00:09:50,154 --> 00:09:52,200 No.You can't? 176 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,549 That's when you need to come to staff. 177 00:09:53,549 --> 00:09:55,986 Okay.Okay? 178 00:09:55,986 --> 00:09:57,814 Because if your sister's not around, 179 00:09:57,814 --> 00:10:00,164 any voices that you hear are voices 180 00:10:00,164 --> 00:10:02,558 that you're hearing in your head. 181 00:10:02,558 --> 00:10:04,342 I'm just curious - 182 00:10:04,342 --> 00:10:06,301 This isn't Germany, this is Brockville, eh? 183 00:10:06,301 --> 00:10:09,478 Yes, it's Brockville, Ontario, Canada. 184 00:10:09,478 --> 00:10:10,914 People keep telling me it's Germany 185 00:10:10,914 --> 00:10:13,830 and I never studied and... 186 00:10:13,830 --> 00:10:16,137 What people? 187 00:10:16,137 --> 00:10:17,747 My sister. 188 00:10:17,747 --> 00:10:19,880 But your sister's not here. 189 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,577 It feels like she's here. 190 00:10:21,577 --> 00:10:25,233 I know my sister's temper, my sister... 191 00:10:25,233 --> 00:10:29,585 my sister would get really, really angry at me. 192 00:10:29,585 --> 00:10:32,196 It's all part of the voices that tell you things? 193 00:10:32,196 --> 00:10:34,285 Yeah. 194 00:10:34,285 --> 00:10:36,244 KASTNER: Those are not what they 195 00:10:36,244 --> 00:10:38,246 call command hallucinations. 196 00:10:38,246 --> 00:10:40,552 Command hallucinations are something different? 197 00:10:40,552 --> 00:10:42,903 Yes.What are they? 198 00:10:42,903 --> 00:10:44,687 Command hallucinations, from what I gather, 199 00:10:44,687 --> 00:10:47,124 are things that say... 200 00:10:50,301 --> 00:10:53,174 "Jump off this bridge. It's right there, 201 00:10:53,174 --> 00:10:56,046 look, look, there's the railing. 202 00:10:56,046 --> 00:11:00,398 Jump off this bridge." 203 00:11:00,398 --> 00:11:01,443 There's a bridge there 204 00:11:01,443 --> 00:11:04,707 and it's quite elevated over the highway. 205 00:11:04,707 --> 00:11:08,972 And on the highway there's huge vehicles passing, right? 206 00:11:08,972 --> 00:11:11,671 So you're walking across the bridge 207 00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:15,022 and the voice will say, "Now's a good time..." 208 00:11:15,022 --> 00:11:18,982 So that's what a command hallucination is, I think. 209 00:11:18,982 --> 00:11:21,985 Aside from harming yourself, 210 00:11:21,985 --> 00:11:22,769 as you understand it, 211 00:11:22,769 --> 00:11:25,249 do command hallucinations 212 00:11:25,249 --> 00:11:27,208 ever tell you to hurt somebody else? 213 00:11:27,208 --> 00:11:27,991 I'm certain they do. 214 00:11:37,348 --> 00:11:39,220 DR. GRAY: Mr. Beninato was diagnosed 215 00:11:39,220 --> 00:11:41,352 with schizophrenia in 1996 216 00:11:41,352 --> 00:11:44,921 and this followed a series of violent outbursts 217 00:11:44,921 --> 00:11:49,839 against his family and reports of hearing voices. 218 00:11:49,839 --> 00:11:53,843 This leads up to the 2003 incident. 219 00:11:53,843 --> 00:11:56,280 On that particular day he came home, 220 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,022 his father was watching television 221 00:11:59,022 --> 00:12:01,503 and he asked his mother for a cigarette. 222 00:12:01,503 --> 00:12:03,723 She said she didn't have one. 223 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:06,377 He escalated and became very, very angry 224 00:12:06,377 --> 00:12:09,337 and grabbed her by the hair and was shaking her around. 225 00:12:09,337 --> 00:12:12,427 As a result of that she became unconscious. 226 00:12:12,427 --> 00:12:13,994 He called an ambulance and said 227 00:12:13,994 --> 00:12:16,083 that he had a temper tantrum, as he put it. 228 00:12:16,083 --> 00:12:18,389 And she was brought to the hospital. 229 00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:19,869 She was in the intensive care unit 230 00:12:19,869 --> 00:12:24,178 because she was in a coma for weeks. 231 00:12:24,178 --> 00:12:26,658 And suffered irreversible 232 00:12:26,658 --> 00:12:28,748 neurological damage, walks with a cane. 233 00:12:34,362 --> 00:12:36,451 Sometimes patients feel 234 00:12:36,451 --> 00:12:38,453 that the more honest they are about symptoms, 235 00:12:38,453 --> 00:12:40,150 the less privileges they'll get, 236 00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:41,935 because then people will think they're sicker 237 00:12:41,935 --> 00:12:43,284 and they're more of a risk. 238 00:12:43,284 --> 00:12:46,896 So in Mr. Beninato's case in particular, 239 00:12:46,896 --> 00:12:49,725 he sometimes downplays that 240 00:12:49,725 --> 00:12:51,553 because to say that he experiences them all the time 241 00:12:51,553 --> 00:12:53,511 and especially if he says, 242 00:12:53,511 --> 00:12:55,165 "Well, they tell me to do bad things," 243 00:12:55,165 --> 00:12:56,732 probably he wouldn't get out of the hospital 244 00:12:56,732 --> 00:13:01,563 as quick as he would like. 245 00:13:01,563 --> 00:13:03,217 SAL: I don't hear voices. 246 00:13:03,217 --> 00:13:05,132 I don't even know why I'm on medication. 247 00:13:05,132 --> 00:13:08,788 But they tell me I got schizophrenia, 248 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:10,137 I'm mentally ill, I'm sick. 249 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:15,446 So I just listen to them, you know? 250 00:13:15,446 --> 00:13:17,666 KASTNER: And have you ever heard voices? 251 00:13:17,666 --> 00:13:19,929 Um, no. 252 00:13:19,929 --> 00:13:20,930 Not really, no. 253 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:24,020 I don't really hear voices. 254 00:13:24,020 --> 00:13:28,372 Sometimes I think they're my thoughts and stuff. 255 00:13:28,372 --> 00:13:32,072 Sometimes I do hear voices, though, yeah. 256 00:13:32,072 --> 00:13:34,335 I don't really, like, hear them too much. 257 00:13:34,335 --> 00:13:35,205 I think, like the voices are 258 00:13:35,205 --> 00:13:37,947 like voices saying, "Oh, who cares? 259 00:13:37,947 --> 00:13:38,948 Buy crack cocaine, buy marijuana, 260 00:13:38,948 --> 00:13:41,908 drink beer, liquor, whatever." 261 00:13:41,908 --> 00:13:44,301 And then my thoughts say, 262 00:13:44,301 --> 00:13:44,998 "Hey, you don't want to do that." 263 00:13:44,998 --> 00:13:48,044 And even the voices that say, 264 00:13:48,044 --> 00:13:50,133 "Buy crack cocaine." You know what they say? 265 00:13:50,133 --> 00:13:53,484 They say, "We're sorry we bother you 266 00:13:53,484 --> 00:13:56,009 and we bothered you in the past." 267 00:13:56,009 --> 00:14:00,100 And then they start to say things like... 268 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:03,190 Well, the thoughts say things like, "Don't," like, 269 00:14:03,190 --> 00:14:04,669 "Listen, don't go buying the drugs." 270 00:14:04,669 --> 00:14:06,019 And even the voices say, 271 00:14:06,019 --> 00:14:08,499 "We don't want to pressure you into doing that either." 272 00:14:08,499 --> 00:14:09,892 You know, sometimes, 273 00:14:09,892 --> 00:14:11,111 I'm not saying right now, but in the past, 274 00:14:11,111 --> 00:14:14,027 the staff heard you yelling in your room 275 00:14:14,027 --> 00:14:15,811 and there's no-one else there. 276 00:14:15,811 --> 00:14:16,812 Yeah, yeah. 277 00:14:16,812 --> 00:14:19,075 So how would you explain that? 278 00:14:19,075 --> 00:14:21,208 Well, it's sort of like I hear voices bugging me, 279 00:14:21,208 --> 00:14:23,123 like putting me down. 280 00:14:23,123 --> 00:14:24,385 So you yell back at them? 281 00:14:24,385 --> 00:14:27,779 Is that what you're doing? 282 00:14:27,779 --> 00:14:31,653 It's like I'm not trying to put the voices down, you know? 283 00:14:31,653 --> 00:14:33,873 Instead of saying, "Hey, like leave me alone," 284 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:35,787 I tell them, 285 00:14:35,787 --> 00:14:38,790 "Why don't you get with the program? 286 00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:41,141 You're falling behind." You know?" 287 00:14:45,232 --> 00:14:47,016 PA: Lunch is now on the ward for the south side. 288 00:14:47,016 --> 00:14:51,455 Lunch is now on the ward. 289 00:14:51,455 --> 00:15:23,270 [♪♪♪] 290 00:15:37,501 --> 00:15:39,590 Hey.Hey, Mike. 291 00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:40,896 Hey, Peter.How are you? 292 00:15:40,896 --> 00:15:42,942 Not too bad, you?Good to see you. 293 00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:45,466 You look good.You too, thanks. 294 00:15:45,466 --> 00:15:47,772 John. 295 00:15:47,772 --> 00:15:49,165 Looks like you got some sun. 296 00:15:49,165 --> 00:15:50,645 More than me.Maybe. 297 00:15:50,645 --> 00:15:52,560 Shall we go? 298 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,563 NANCY: The name of this person is Michael Roland Stewart. 299 00:15:55,563 --> 00:16:00,524 His date of birth is December 14, 1978. 300 00:16:00,524 --> 00:16:04,876 His date of admission was March 22, 2005. 301 00:16:04,876 --> 00:16:09,185 His index offence is second degree murder. 302 00:16:09,185 --> 00:16:11,187 Legal status is 303 00:16:11,187 --> 00:16:14,495 not criminally responsible - NCR. 304 00:16:14,495 --> 00:16:28,204 [♪♪♪] 305 00:16:28,204 --> 00:16:31,686 PETER: Mike belonged to what would normally 306 00:16:31,686 --> 00:16:33,905 be considered the popular crowd. 307 00:16:33,905 --> 00:16:37,387 He was extremely self-assured, 308 00:16:37,387 --> 00:16:39,650 extremely confident, 309 00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:42,131 and top marks in the class. 310 00:16:45,917 --> 00:16:48,877 Lots of friends, girls and guys. 311 00:16:48,877 --> 00:16:53,099 JOHN: He was probably among the funnier people in the room. 312 00:16:53,099 --> 00:16:55,362 But he was very - 313 00:16:55,362 --> 00:16:58,234 just so sharp, such a good way with words. 314 00:16:58,234 --> 00:17:02,325 Supremely confident. 315 00:17:02,325 --> 00:17:04,806 And this was certainly into the time 316 00:17:04,806 --> 00:17:07,548 where Mike had become sick. 317 00:17:07,548 --> 00:17:10,377 Spring of 1997. 318 00:17:10,377 --> 00:17:12,335 There seemed to be a difference in him right away 319 00:17:12,335 --> 00:17:17,123 and I thought that he kind of became quite recluse. 320 00:17:17,123 --> 00:17:20,039 He thought mom had awoken him 321 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:22,302 so she could read his mind 322 00:17:22,302 --> 00:17:24,347 a few hours before he went to school. 323 00:17:29,396 --> 00:17:32,312 KASTNER: Do you see a big change in him today? 324 00:17:32,312 --> 00:17:34,401 He's not the same guy at all. 325 00:17:39,362 --> 00:17:41,799 NANCY: From a nursing perspective, 326 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:44,541 Mike is making slow, steady improvement 327 00:17:44,541 --> 00:17:47,414 but some negative symptoms remain. 328 00:17:47,414 --> 00:17:52,201 His overall mood is good but quiet. 329 00:17:52,201 --> 00:17:55,683 He spends a lot of his leisure time in the TV lounge 330 00:17:55,683 --> 00:17:58,686 but does not socialize much with copatients. 331 00:17:58,686 --> 00:18:01,819 He usually maintains a quiet demeanour about the ward. 332 00:18:05,519 --> 00:18:07,912 Yeah, I just got four. 333 00:18:07,912 --> 00:18:12,265 NURSE: Okay, see you later. 334 00:18:12,265 --> 00:18:14,745 Okay, guys, come on aboard. 335 00:18:16,921 --> 00:18:19,620 Okay, here's the deal. 336 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:21,274 I think my knee can take it, I'm going to bowl with you. 337 00:18:21,274 --> 00:18:24,712 What do you think, Mike? Could you help me? 338 00:18:24,712 --> 00:18:26,366 I don't know if I can help you but you'll do fine. 339 00:18:26,366 --> 00:18:29,586 Are you going to beat your best score today? 340 00:18:29,586 --> 00:18:31,022 That's the g - 110.110? 341 00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:43,905 MIKE WHELAN: He's always struggled 342 00:18:43,905 --> 00:18:45,994 with the social aspect of the hospital. 343 00:18:45,994 --> 00:18:49,302 So he seems to do better with staff. 344 00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:52,000 To hang around with his peers 345 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,656 I don't think he's ever been very good at that. 346 00:18:55,656 --> 00:19:02,489 [♪♪♪] 347 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:11,759 DR. BRADFORD: He has become quite sensitive 348 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,763 in social situations. 349 00:19:15,763 --> 00:19:19,070 He, for example, has turned down the opportunity 350 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:23,074 to go into the community on his own, 351 00:19:23,074 --> 00:19:25,164 even though he's probably well enough to do that. 352 00:19:31,605 --> 00:19:35,739 By being sensitive to people around him, 353 00:19:35,739 --> 00:19:39,526 that they may know what he did ten years or so ago. 354 00:19:39,526 --> 00:19:42,616 So that type of hypersensitivity, 355 00:19:42,616 --> 00:19:45,706 hypervigilance is what's been bothering him. 356 00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:01,548 NANCY: The next person we're going to 357 00:20:01,548 --> 00:20:06,030 conference today is Carole. 358 00:20:06,030 --> 00:20:10,644 CAROLE: And this is a string. 359 00:20:10,644 --> 00:20:13,386 NANCY: Carole is a 39-year-old female. 360 00:20:13,386 --> 00:20:17,607 CAROLE: This is what I call my imaginary friend. 361 00:20:17,607 --> 00:20:21,002 NANCY: Carole was found NCR on account of mental disorder 362 00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:24,005 on two charges of assaulting a police officer 363 00:20:24,005 --> 00:20:26,790 and four charges of assault on September 20, 2010. 364 00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:31,186 CAROLE: Cat. 365 00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:38,324 NANCY: Carole has been estranged from her family. 366 00:20:38,324 --> 00:20:42,023 There are no next of kin noted in her clinical chart. 367 00:20:42,023 --> 00:20:43,720 She became a ward of the Children's Aid Society 368 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,246 at the age of 11 years. 369 00:20:49,857 --> 00:20:52,512 When you workyou've got to get up early, 370 00:20:52,512 --> 00:20:54,818 get showered. 371 00:20:54,818 --> 00:20:56,907 You have to lookappropriate for your job, 372 00:20:56,907 --> 00:21:00,302 get dressed in your best. 373 00:21:00,302 --> 00:21:02,565 DR. JAMES: From what I understand from her past, 374 00:21:02,565 --> 00:21:07,178 she would become very upset, she'd run into traffic. 375 00:21:07,178 --> 00:21:09,964 She was admitted to the hospital. 376 00:21:09,964 --> 00:21:13,359 She was discharged back to her apartment. 377 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,839 An acting worker came to visit. 378 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,712 She didn't want the acting worker to leave. 379 00:21:18,712 --> 00:21:20,583 And she threatened to commit suicide, 380 00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:22,324 is my understanding. 381 00:21:22,324 --> 00:21:24,587 And as the acting worker was leaving, 382 00:21:24,587 --> 00:21:28,287 she jumped off the balcony. 383 00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:32,595 And that's how she got a lot of the orthopedic injuries 384 00:21:32,595 --> 00:21:36,817 that you see when she walks. 385 00:21:36,817 --> 00:21:40,603 CAROLE: The stickers are for good behaviour. 386 00:21:40,603 --> 00:21:42,736 And it tells you that if you 387 00:21:42,736 --> 00:21:46,087 get 14 stickers in a row without missing one, 388 00:21:46,087 --> 00:21:48,350 you get to order out, 389 00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:50,439 or you could save your money 390 00:21:50,439 --> 00:21:53,616 for whatever you wish to buy. 391 00:21:53,616 --> 00:21:55,401 And if you don't - 392 00:21:55,401 --> 00:21:59,274 I missed one sticker here, so I don't get one. 393 00:21:59,274 --> 00:22:01,058 But here I had a perfect month - 394 00:22:01,058 --> 00:22:07,064 and over here I had a perfect month. 395 00:22:07,064 --> 00:22:10,416 But that's about it out of all of them. 396 00:22:10,416 --> 00:22:12,069 This is April, that's May... 397 00:22:12,069 --> 00:22:14,855 KASTNER: So when you say bad behaviour, 398 00:22:14,855 --> 00:22:16,596 what do you mean by that? 399 00:22:16,596 --> 00:22:19,381 Yelling at staff, or refusing to take my pills, 400 00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:23,733 or refusing to go to my room when I'm upset, 401 00:22:23,733 --> 00:22:27,084 or getting into a fight with people, 402 00:22:27,084 --> 00:22:28,825 getting into an argument, 403 00:22:28,825 --> 00:22:31,262 I don't get a sticker. 404 00:22:31,262 --> 00:22:33,264 And are you a bad girl often? 405 00:22:33,264 --> 00:22:35,528 Yeah. 406 00:22:35,528 --> 00:22:37,747 It's hard for me to actually 407 00:22:37,747 --> 00:22:40,359 get a whole month of stickers. 408 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,448 Bad behaviour gets me in trouble. 409 00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:44,145 I find it hard to be good. 410 00:22:44,145 --> 00:22:47,757 You find it hard to be good?Yeah. 411 00:22:47,757 --> 00:22:49,846 And how are you doing so far this month? 412 00:22:49,846 --> 00:22:54,851 Uh, well I'm off to a rocky start. 413 00:22:54,851 --> 00:22:57,419 KASTNER: Can you give me a sense of 414 00:22:57,419 --> 00:22:59,900 how many of the patients here 415 00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:02,293 are capable of serious violence? 416 00:23:02,293 --> 00:23:04,383 Absolutely all of them. 417 00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,167 CHARLES: Every one.Every single one. 418 00:23:06,167 --> 00:23:07,864 Every single one of them. 419 00:23:07,864 --> 00:23:10,824 KASTNER: Carole Seguin? 420 00:23:10,824 --> 00:23:12,608 Oh yes.Oh, absolutely! 421 00:23:12,608 --> 00:23:15,655 Carole is one of those people that there is no question - 422 00:23:15,655 --> 00:23:17,657 Once she started to be a problem, 423 00:23:17,657 --> 00:23:19,920 you had to get out the five point restraints, 424 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,661 because if she couldn't get at you to hurt you, 425 00:23:21,661 --> 00:23:24,794 she would start smashing her skull on the wall. 426 00:23:24,794 --> 00:23:27,318 DEBBIE: And you know within a few minutes of locking her, 427 00:23:27,318 --> 00:23:29,233 she's going to start whacking her head off the toilet 428 00:23:29,233 --> 00:23:32,411 or usually the cement walls. 429 00:23:32,411 --> 00:23:37,285 You couldn't listen to that. It was just awful. 430 00:23:37,285 --> 00:23:39,374 Awful females. They're the worst. 431 00:23:39,374 --> 00:23:41,202 I'm sorry, they are. 432 00:23:41,202 --> 00:23:43,378 CHARLES: I didn't say that.Of course you didn't! 433 00:23:43,378 --> 00:23:47,295 I jumped on it. 434 00:23:47,295 --> 00:23:54,041 [Laughs] 435 00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:57,348 CHARLES: Women make the worst patients. 436 00:23:57,348 --> 00:24:00,134 Oh absolutely. I agree completely. 437 00:24:00,134 --> 00:24:03,050 There is no explaining how or why, 438 00:24:03,050 --> 00:24:05,008 it's just that way. 439 00:24:05,008 --> 00:24:10,361 [Justine laughing] 440 00:24:10,361 --> 00:24:13,408 59 patients here at the Forensic Treatment Unit 441 00:24:13,408 --> 00:24:17,238 and about five female patients is quite a difference. 442 00:24:21,982 --> 00:24:25,246 The men tend to cause more violent crimes on the outside, 443 00:24:25,246 --> 00:24:26,856 in the outside world. 444 00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:28,510 And the women tend 445 00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:32,166 to cause more violence on the inside. 446 00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:34,603 I mean, I'm not used to wrestling with people. 447 00:24:34,603 --> 00:24:37,388 I never thought in my lifetime that I would be in this field 448 00:24:37,388 --> 00:24:39,565 where I'm wrestling with some female on the floor 449 00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,958 because she's just taken a swing at me, 450 00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:43,090 or tried to kick me in the stomach, 451 00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:44,613 or did kick me, 452 00:24:44,613 --> 00:24:47,834 and now we're into a whole different ball of wax. 453 00:24:47,834 --> 00:24:48,965 I've wrestled with probably more women here 454 00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:51,141 than I ever will with men. 455 00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:57,147 I do believe that some of it 456 00:24:57,147 --> 00:25:01,108 can be attributed to their illness. 457 00:25:01,108 --> 00:25:03,414 They're extremely vulnerable. 458 00:25:03,414 --> 00:25:06,592 I know Angela, but I don't know if it's fixed. Eh? 459 00:25:06,592 --> 00:25:07,854 Yeah. 460 00:25:07,854 --> 00:25:10,813 Historically women coming in 461 00:25:10,813 --> 00:25:12,728 have some sort of mood disorder. 462 00:25:12,728 --> 00:25:15,122 So they're bipolar or they're schizoaffective, 463 00:25:15,122 --> 00:25:19,430 which is all related to mood fluctuations. 464 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:20,823 So yeah, something that simple 465 00:25:20,823 --> 00:25:25,393 causes chaos on the unit. 466 00:25:25,393 --> 00:25:27,526 [Justine laughing] 467 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,223 Just another day in the neighbourhood. 468 00:25:51,854 --> 00:25:55,292 How are you doing?Not bad. 469 00:25:55,292 --> 00:25:56,511 Hey Michael. 470 00:25:56,511 --> 00:25:57,643 Looking good. 471 00:25:57,643 --> 00:26:00,515 How are you doing? 472 00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:01,647 Doing okay. 473 00:26:01,647 --> 00:26:03,823 Yeah. 474 00:26:03,823 --> 00:26:05,564 Do you want to dip in? 475 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:08,523 Go for it. 476 00:26:08,523 --> 00:26:09,916 When's the last time you had mussels, Michael? 477 00:26:09,916 --> 00:26:12,788 The last time I had mussels? 478 00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:14,660 Jeez, I don't... 479 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:16,618 I don't remember. 480 00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:18,098 Really? 481 00:26:18,098 --> 00:26:21,057 Two RCMP pulled up and asked us, 482 00:26:21,057 --> 00:26:25,714 "Is one of you Rebecca Stewart?" 483 00:26:25,714 --> 00:26:28,674 I thought that Michael had killed himself, 484 00:26:28,674 --> 00:26:32,547 because again, that was always the concern. 485 00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:36,116 And he just said to call your dad. 486 00:26:36,116 --> 00:26:38,118 Dad picked up and said, "Hello." 487 00:26:38,118 --> 00:26:41,164 I said, "Hello. What's going on?" 488 00:26:41,164 --> 00:26:45,560 He said, "Something very bad has happened." 489 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,128 And I said, "Michael's killed himself?" 490 00:26:48,128 --> 00:26:52,132 And he said, "No, Michael has killed your mother." 491 00:26:52,132 --> 00:26:55,788 And then I was caught off guard 492 00:26:55,788 --> 00:26:58,617 and I said, "No." And he said, "Yes." 493 00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:00,401 And I think I said no again. And I was worked up, 494 00:27:00,401 --> 00:27:03,186 so I asked if I could call him back in a few minutes, 495 00:27:03,186 --> 00:27:06,363 get off the phone and call him back. 496 00:27:06,363 --> 00:27:08,583 He said I could do so, and then we hung up, 497 00:27:08,583 --> 00:27:10,019 and then I just started smashing 498 00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:14,067 the phone receiver into the phone. 499 00:27:14,067 --> 00:27:17,374 And kind of realized that I was in a public spot. 500 00:27:17,374 --> 00:27:20,551 So I went outside and just went for a little walk. 501 00:27:20,551 --> 00:27:23,032 And that was it. 502 00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:38,657 It's always good. 503 00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:40,049 Either way I'm happy. 504 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:53,715 NANCY: He apparently arrived at his parents' home 505 00:27:53,715 --> 00:27:55,891 in the early afternoon and waited in the house 506 00:27:55,891 --> 00:27:58,633 until his mother, the victim, 507 00:27:58,633 --> 00:28:03,769 arrived home between 3:30 and 3:45 PM. 508 00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:07,642 He was reported to have confronted his mother 509 00:28:07,642 --> 00:28:10,645 and then an altercation developed between the two. 510 00:28:10,645 --> 00:28:13,082 She eventually died 511 00:28:13,082 --> 00:28:15,476 from severe blunt trauma to the head. 512 00:28:15,476 --> 00:28:26,356 [♪♪♪] 513 00:28:26,356 --> 00:28:29,359 She was a nurse who 514 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,319 loved her profession, 515 00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:37,367 and community member who loved her community, 516 00:28:37,367 --> 00:28:41,067 and a mother who loved her family. 517 00:28:47,682 --> 00:28:50,859 [♪♪♪] 518 00:28:50,859 --> 00:28:53,862 JUNE: Good morning. 519 00:28:53,862 --> 00:28:55,472 Here we are on Tommy Donohue's farm 520 00:28:55,472 --> 00:28:58,214 up in Douglas, Ontario, as you can see. 521 00:28:58,214 --> 00:28:59,912 It's Friday morning, 522 00:28:59,912 --> 00:29:03,002 September the 7th, the year 2001. 523 00:29:03,002 --> 00:29:04,264 And the sun has just come up, 524 00:29:04,264 --> 00:29:08,529 and you can see the mist through the rail fencing, 525 00:29:08,529 --> 00:29:11,184 and of course the cattle. 526 00:29:11,184 --> 00:29:14,622 So what a perfect day. 527 00:29:14,622 --> 00:29:21,020 [♪♪♪] 528 00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:22,499 Thank you for doing it. 529 00:29:22,499 --> 00:29:38,298 [♪♪♪] 530 00:29:38,298 --> 00:29:40,561 JOHN: You both look pretty pleased in that picture. 531 00:29:40,561 --> 00:29:42,737 REBECCA: It's a cute photo. 532 00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:43,912 DAVID: That's June and me. 533 00:29:43,912 --> 00:29:46,654 We're going out somewheres because we're - 534 00:29:46,654 --> 00:29:50,005 June's - we're dressed for an evening out. 535 00:29:50,005 --> 00:29:52,791 JOHN: Pretty loud outfit. 536 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:53,922 DAVID: On Mom's part. 537 00:29:53,922 --> 00:29:54,705 REBECCA: Which was typical. 538 00:29:54,705 --> 00:29:56,490 JOHN: Fairly standard. 539 00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:59,623 REBECCA: She was a fashionista in her own right, I think. 540 00:29:59,623 --> 00:30:03,758 She liked to dress up. 541 00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:05,455 PETER: I don't think I've ever seen that picture. 542 00:30:05,455 --> 00:30:06,848 REBECCA: I've never seen it either. 543 00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:08,371 It's beautiful. 544 00:30:08,371 --> 00:30:09,677 It's a photograph of Mom 545 00:30:09,677 --> 00:30:10,983 I've not seen before and it's nice. 546 00:30:10,983 --> 00:30:13,115 It's a great picture. 547 00:30:13,115 --> 00:30:15,248 Looks pretty pensive. 548 00:30:21,863 --> 00:30:23,909 KASTNER: What had Mike's relationship with her 549 00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:27,042 been like before? 550 00:30:27,042 --> 00:30:29,131 PETER: She loved him very much 551 00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:31,003 and he loved her very much, too, 552 00:30:31,003 --> 00:30:33,832 and I think that where he needed 553 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:36,095 very occasional emotional support, 554 00:30:36,095 --> 00:30:38,358 he got it in spades from her. 555 00:30:38,358 --> 00:30:44,103 A mother who for years after Michael became sick 556 00:30:44,103 --> 00:30:48,716 would cry herself to sleep out of concern for him, 557 00:30:48,716 --> 00:30:50,065 and he knew that when 558 00:30:50,065 --> 00:30:53,503 he was well enough to know that. 559 00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:25,666 What kind of thoughts are you having right now? 560 00:31:25,666 --> 00:31:30,758 That I want to kill myself, that I want to hang myself. 561 00:31:30,758 --> 00:31:33,456 Okay. Carole? 562 00:31:33,456 --> 00:31:36,155 You know us?Yeah, I know you. 563 00:31:36,155 --> 00:31:38,853 And we know you.Yeah, I know. 564 00:31:38,853 --> 00:31:41,160 And we know that you're a good person, right? 565 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,075 Right.Okay. 566 00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:44,772 And we're here to take care of you. 567 00:31:44,772 --> 00:31:45,729 Right. 568 00:31:45,729 --> 00:31:47,296 And we're here to keep you safe. 569 00:31:47,296 --> 00:31:49,124 I know that but I don't feel loved. 570 00:31:49,124 --> 00:31:52,911 Well, we're going to keep you safe, okay? 571 00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:55,522 What we're going to do -Yeah? 572 00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:57,437 What I want to do is 573 00:31:57,437 --> 00:31:59,395 I'd like to help you with those thoughts 574 00:31:59,395 --> 00:32:01,658 'cause you're having really bad thoughts right now. 575 00:32:01,658 --> 00:32:03,878 And those thoughts right now are telling you 576 00:32:03,878 --> 00:32:05,706 that you're a bad person, 577 00:32:05,706 --> 00:32:06,837 that you've done things, okay?Right. 578 00:32:06,837 --> 00:32:09,666 Which you haven't, right? 579 00:32:09,666 --> 00:32:10,493 They're talking about me on the TV. 580 00:32:10,493 --> 00:32:12,800 Those are the - 581 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,803 but that's your delusional thinking, right? 582 00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:17,196 Right. 583 00:32:17,196 --> 00:32:18,675 Those are those thoughts that you have in your mind 584 00:32:18,675 --> 00:32:19,589 that you know aren't real 585 00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:20,851 but that are so overwhelming to you 586 00:32:20,851 --> 00:32:23,898 that you can't deal with them. 587 00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:26,292 They're very, very frustrating 588 00:32:26,292 --> 00:32:28,598 and anxiety-provoking for you, right? 589 00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:30,426 Right. 590 00:32:30,426 --> 00:32:32,211 I feel that people are talking behind my back and all that. 591 00:32:32,211 --> 00:32:33,255 Yeah. 592 00:32:33,255 --> 00:32:34,648 And it's over... 593 00:32:34,648 --> 00:32:36,606 That they hate me.Yeah. 594 00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:37,956 But people don't hate you here. 595 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:40,132 You know we've treated you well 596 00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:43,178 and that you've done well and that - 597 00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:44,788 I'm trying my best, 598 00:32:44,788 --> 00:32:48,792 but it's been like a month since I've had any sleep. 599 00:32:48,792 --> 00:32:50,142 Carole? 600 00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:51,621 Carole? 601 00:32:51,621 --> 00:32:54,711 You're just having a bad day, right? 602 00:32:54,711 --> 00:32:56,191 Everybody's... 603 00:32:56,191 --> 00:33:00,456 Listen, everybody's allowed to have a bad day, it's okay. 604 00:33:00,456 --> 00:33:01,892 I know but only one. 605 00:33:01,892 --> 00:33:06,245 It's okay. 606 00:33:06,245 --> 00:33:20,259 [♪♪♪] 607 00:33:20,259 --> 00:33:22,348 MIKE: Stewart is my last name. 608 00:33:22,348 --> 00:33:25,220 Mike is my first name. 609 00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:29,616 And my room is - I'll let you see my room here. 610 00:33:29,616 --> 00:33:33,750 It's not in great order but it's in order. 611 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:35,535 Okay, you need to do a walkabout? 612 00:33:35,535 --> 00:33:36,144 I need to do a walkabout.Okay, let's go. 613 00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:41,932 Alrighty. 614 00:33:41,932 --> 00:33:55,685 [♪♪♪] 615 00:33:55,685 --> 00:33:58,906 I have this thing here - 616 00:33:58,906 --> 00:34:02,562 is my privacy curtain. 617 00:34:02,562 --> 00:34:05,826 It's mainly to be used at night time 618 00:34:05,826 --> 00:34:08,176 because they can walk by. 619 00:34:08,176 --> 00:34:10,178 "Oh, he's in his bed, that's great." You know? 620 00:34:10,178 --> 00:34:13,573 But any time any passing person can take a peek in, 621 00:34:13,573 --> 00:34:16,837 so you just have to understand that the privacy, 622 00:34:16,837 --> 00:34:19,883 it's pretty good but, 623 00:34:19,883 --> 00:34:21,494 you know, be decent. 624 00:34:21,494 --> 00:34:59,967 [♪♪♪] 625 00:34:59,967 --> 00:35:02,056 CHARLES: What we're supposed to do now is mark down on here 626 00:35:02,056 --> 00:35:04,493 what each individual was doing, 627 00:35:04,493 --> 00:35:06,191 where they were, 628 00:35:06,191 --> 00:35:08,671 and what they were doing at that specific time. 629 00:35:26,211 --> 00:35:28,126 DR. GRAY: My impression is that the family 630 00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:29,779 still is somewhat fearful about him 631 00:35:29,779 --> 00:35:32,956 because of the past. 632 00:35:32,956 --> 00:35:34,915 And he has a history of violence against his parents, 633 00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:36,873 so it's not just the parents - 634 00:35:36,873 --> 00:35:38,571 There are siblings, too, 635 00:35:38,571 --> 00:35:40,703 and I really don't think they'd want him, 636 00:35:40,703 --> 00:35:42,357 at any point, living back in their house. 637 00:35:42,357 --> 00:35:46,013 A lot of people want to be with their family 638 00:35:46,013 --> 00:35:47,884 and they don't want to hear that they don't want you back, 639 00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:50,409 or they're fearful of you. 640 00:35:58,852 --> 00:36:01,071 SAL: On the street I have friends, you know? 641 00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:03,073 Friend, you know what I mean? 642 00:36:03,073 --> 00:36:05,206 Like, I just miss that. 643 00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:11,647 Nobody, like no - not anybody talks to me, 644 00:36:11,647 --> 00:36:15,260 the staff doesn't talk to me, the patients don't talk to me. 645 00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:17,436 Nobody talks to me, you know? 646 00:36:17,436 --> 00:36:19,786 I wonder, why aren't these people talking to me? 647 00:36:19,786 --> 00:36:22,484 And I don't know, 648 00:36:22,484 --> 00:36:25,226 I just don't know what to do, you know? 649 00:36:25,226 --> 00:36:27,185 I go out and talk to them, you know? 650 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:27,881 You want to have a coffee? 651 00:36:27,881 --> 00:36:30,231 You want this and that, 652 00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:32,320 go for a coffee in the community, 653 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,584 or do you want to go for a smoke or something? 654 00:36:35,584 --> 00:36:37,020 I'm not going out. 655 00:36:44,419 --> 00:36:46,769 SAL: Before, I would have this friend here, 656 00:36:46,769 --> 00:36:48,249 and we would always talk and go for a smoke, 657 00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:50,904 or I lent him money and we'd walk around 658 00:36:50,904 --> 00:36:52,645 and go to the benches and smoke. 659 00:36:52,645 --> 00:36:58,390 And lately he hasn't been coming out and talking to me. 660 00:36:58,390 --> 00:37:00,174 Greg! Where are you going, Greg? 661 00:37:07,007 --> 00:37:09,270 So you going to talk, stand out here and talk, 662 00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:12,621 or are you going to go in there? 663 00:37:12,621 --> 00:37:14,144 Fuck. 664 00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:18,584 I can't go in there, man. 665 00:37:18,584 --> 00:37:20,368 He would always tell me, ever since I got here, 666 00:37:20,368 --> 00:37:22,631 "You're my best friend, you're my best friend." 667 00:37:22,631 --> 00:37:24,285 And now I don't know what to do, you know? 668 00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:26,548 I worry - He never just comes and sits down, 669 00:37:26,548 --> 00:37:31,423 has a smoke and talk to me no more. 670 00:37:31,423 --> 00:37:34,208 But other people I talk to, 671 00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:35,557 like I talk to them for a little bit, 672 00:37:35,557 --> 00:37:39,082 then all of a sudden they start staying alone, right? 673 00:37:39,082 --> 00:37:40,693 I want to get a necklace too. 674 00:37:40,693 --> 00:37:42,216 I don't got a necklace. 675 00:37:42,216 --> 00:37:44,392 I got a watch. 676 00:37:47,308 --> 00:37:49,310 SAL: What am I supposed to do? 677 00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:51,269 I don't know. 678 00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,314 GREG: Later man. 679 00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:04,673 SAL: I was a little bit depressed at first, 680 00:38:04,673 --> 00:38:06,414 but when I started going to the gym. 681 00:38:06,414 --> 00:38:08,547 I felt better because, you know, 682 00:38:08,547 --> 00:38:13,291 it made me feel better about myself. 683 00:38:13,291 --> 00:38:15,467 So I guess that was a big help, 684 00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:18,513 or it is a big help, still going now, so... 685 00:38:30,264 --> 00:38:35,225 ♪ Oh, give me a home 686 00:38:35,225 --> 00:38:39,795 ♪ where the deer and the antelope roam. ♪ 687 00:38:39,795 --> 00:38:44,060 ♪ Where seldom is heard a discouraging word ♪ 688 00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:48,848 ♪ and skies are not cloudy all day. ♪ 689 00:38:48,848 --> 00:38:52,678 ♪ Oh give me a home where 690 00:38:52,678 --> 00:38:56,072 ♪ the deer and the antelope play. ♪ 691 00:38:56,072 --> 00:39:00,076 ♪ Where seldom is heard a discouraging word ♪ 692 00:39:00,076 --> 00:39:03,471 ♪ and the skies are all cloudy all day. ♪ 693 00:39:15,265 --> 00:39:17,442 I'm listening to the radio. 694 00:39:17,442 --> 00:39:20,358 Because it's loud, I can't concentrate on the TV. 695 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:23,491 I can't concentrate on the TV when that is playing. 696 00:39:23,491 --> 00:39:24,927 It's hard for me. 697 00:39:24,927 --> 00:39:27,016 SHARRON: Did Xavier come down and talk about this earlier? 698 00:39:27,016 --> 00:39:28,583 Yes, and he turns it back up when the staff leaves. 699 00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:31,325 That's not fair. 700 00:39:31,325 --> 00:39:33,545 SHARRON: If we don't deal with the situation 701 00:39:33,545 --> 00:39:36,330 the way that she feels we should, 702 00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:37,897 it gets ramped up to the next degree. 703 00:39:37,897 --> 00:39:40,421 I know, but I'm not - 704 00:39:40,421 --> 00:39:42,989 Am I doing something wrong?SHARRON: No. 705 00:39:42,989 --> 00:39:45,165 Get those two girls the fuck out of here. 706 00:39:45,165 --> 00:39:46,558 I mean, put them downstairs and get 'em out of there. 707 00:39:46,558 --> 00:39:48,777 They're not my type. 708 00:39:48,777 --> 00:39:50,388 That's what he said this morning too. 709 00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:51,606 So just stay away from them for now 710 00:39:51,606 --> 00:39:53,042 and then we'll see how - 711 00:39:53,042 --> 00:39:54,696 Tell them not to come near me. 712 00:39:54,696 --> 00:39:55,654 It made me cry. 713 00:39:55,654 --> 00:39:56,524 I'm going mad. 714 00:39:56,524 --> 00:39:58,526 Fuck, you know? 715 00:39:58,526 --> 00:39:59,527 Going fuckin' mad. 716 00:39:59,527 --> 00:40:00,789 Fuckin' mad. 717 00:40:00,789 --> 00:40:04,140 What was going on? 718 00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:07,753 Dr.Gray and Sharry came to talk to us about Al 719 00:40:07,753 --> 00:40:10,625 because he's upset that there's females on the unit. 720 00:40:10,625 --> 00:40:12,366 Those girls are sick. 721 00:40:12,366 --> 00:40:14,368 Somebody else's fuckin' problem. 722 00:40:14,368 --> 00:40:15,717 I don't want this fuckin' problem. 723 00:40:15,717 --> 00:40:17,545 I got my own fuckin' problems. 724 00:40:17,545 --> 00:40:18,807 Al, if I talk to them 725 00:40:18,807 --> 00:40:20,592 and keep talking to them to stay away from you, 726 00:40:20,592 --> 00:40:23,333 can you guarantee me you're not going to hit one of them? 727 00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:25,597 I didn't hit them.I know you didn't. 728 00:40:25,597 --> 00:40:28,556 You didn't - you did really well. 729 00:40:28,556 --> 00:40:31,603 But I don't want to see you hit one of them. 730 00:40:37,565 --> 00:40:39,828 SHARRON: She's very attention seeking, very - 731 00:40:39,828 --> 00:40:40,829 If she doesn't get the attention she wants, 732 00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:44,137 she can be very self-abusive. 733 00:40:44,137 --> 00:40:45,617 Hey Nancy? 734 00:40:45,617 --> 00:40:47,183 Yeah? 735 00:40:47,183 --> 00:40:49,577 These have been in for a week. 736 00:40:49,577 --> 00:40:51,884 Do you think you can take 'em out? 737 00:40:51,884 --> 00:40:53,494 Which one's that one? 738 00:40:53,494 --> 00:40:54,974 These ones. 739 00:40:54,974 --> 00:40:56,323 They've been in for eight days. 740 00:40:56,323 --> 00:41:00,719 They're only supposed to be in for a week. 741 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,766 Sometimes I do things to get an adrenaline rush... 742 00:41:06,942 --> 00:41:08,727 like cut myself. 743 00:41:11,381 --> 00:41:14,689 NANCY: Well, frankly we're quite concerned about her 744 00:41:14,689 --> 00:41:18,954 and her recent self-harm attempts. 745 00:41:18,954 --> 00:41:21,043 She would come to us 746 00:41:21,043 --> 00:41:22,262 and say she really doesn't feel well. 747 00:41:22,262 --> 00:41:25,570 We'd ask her in what way you don't feel well? 748 00:41:25,570 --> 00:41:27,615 She feels like cutting herself. 749 00:41:27,615 --> 00:41:30,009 She's told us she craves this - 750 00:41:30,009 --> 00:41:33,969 it's like an addiction and she just has to satisfy this. 751 00:41:33,969 --> 00:41:36,406 And she'll keep wanting to do it 752 00:41:36,406 --> 00:41:38,408 until she actually does it. 753 00:41:38,408 --> 00:41:40,498 And then she's - 754 00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:43,326 We've had four different cutting episodes, 755 00:41:43,326 --> 00:41:46,895 quite deep gashes on her arm. 756 00:41:46,895 --> 00:41:50,725 KASTNER: Boy, you sure hurt yourself, eh? 757 00:41:50,725 --> 00:41:53,685 I didn't do it as deep this time. 758 00:41:53,685 --> 00:41:55,382 That one was a bad one. 759 00:41:55,382 --> 00:41:57,471 KASTNER: Wow. 760 00:41:57,471 --> 00:41:59,255 Lots of stitches there. 761 00:41:59,255 --> 00:42:00,822 So deep, in fact, 762 00:42:00,822 --> 00:42:01,736 that it's way below the skin layer 763 00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:04,609 and below the fat layer, 764 00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:08,438 and down to the muscle layer. 765 00:42:08,438 --> 00:42:10,528 KASTNER: And is that serious-serious? 766 00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:13,008 Is that a serious attempt or - I mean, some people I know - 767 00:42:13,008 --> 00:42:15,750 Just hurt myself. 768 00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:17,926 And why do you think you do that? 769 00:42:17,926 --> 00:42:21,713 Mm... 770 00:42:21,713 --> 00:42:25,064 Feels good sometimes. 771 00:42:25,064 --> 00:42:28,415 I have borderline personality disorder and hypochondriac. 772 00:42:28,415 --> 00:42:30,548 I don't know what the proper term is for it. 773 00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:32,941 KASTNER: What is borderline personality disorder exactly? 774 00:42:32,941 --> 00:42:38,164 It's behavioural difficulties. 775 00:42:38,164 --> 00:42:42,168 They take a lot of risks and stuff like that and... 776 00:42:42,168 --> 00:42:45,954 DR. JAMES: Some people say that every 777 00:42:45,954 --> 00:42:48,087 branch of medicine has its fatal disease. 778 00:42:48,087 --> 00:42:51,177 And for psychiatry, some people figure 779 00:42:51,177 --> 00:42:53,962 that borderline personality is the fatal disease. 780 00:42:53,962 --> 00:42:56,704 KASTNER: What does that mean?Untreatable. 781 00:42:56,704 --> 00:42:58,924 I lit fire downstairs. 782 00:42:58,924 --> 00:43:02,362 Um... 783 00:43:02,362 --> 00:43:07,019 'cause I was mad at a staff so that was pretty impulsive. 784 00:43:07,019 --> 00:43:11,763 Lit fire to my pillow. 785 00:43:11,763 --> 00:43:14,896 PA: Please come to the med room for your meds. 786 00:43:14,896 --> 00:43:19,684 Meds at the medicine room. 787 00:43:19,684 --> 00:43:22,121 CAROL: Step right up, sir. 788 00:43:28,867 --> 00:43:32,914 NURSE: There's Catherine. Can I do you, Catherine? 789 00:43:32,914 --> 00:43:36,918 MIKE: Generally there will be - 790 00:43:36,918 --> 00:43:39,399 four times a day - they will dispense medication. 791 00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:46,058 One of the things I take is Clozapine, 792 00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:50,323 and it's an anti-psychotic. 793 00:43:50,323 --> 00:43:52,281 If I stop taking it, 794 00:43:52,281 --> 00:43:53,979 there's a very good chance 795 00:43:53,979 --> 00:43:56,155 that some of the big problems 796 00:43:56,155 --> 00:43:58,679 that I used to have coping with - 797 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,290 my illness could very well return. 798 00:44:05,381 --> 00:44:07,906 And they tell me that each relapse you suffer 799 00:44:07,906 --> 00:44:12,214 does additional damage... 800 00:44:12,214 --> 00:44:14,042 to your brain. 801 00:44:18,786 --> 00:44:20,788 The thing about medications are 802 00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:24,792 we have a legal right to refuse. 803 00:44:24,792 --> 00:44:26,707 If you decide that the medication 804 00:44:26,707 --> 00:44:29,797 isn't working for you 805 00:44:29,797 --> 00:44:33,192 or that it's harming you, perhaps, 806 00:44:33,192 --> 00:44:37,413 you are legally entitled to do that. 807 00:44:37,413 --> 00:44:41,069 Also there are people that will take the pills 808 00:44:41,069 --> 00:44:45,683 and just keep them under their tongue. 809 00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:48,033 They swallow the water, 810 00:44:48,033 --> 00:44:50,513 and then they'll turn and they'll spit the pills away. 811 00:44:53,908 --> 00:44:56,824 If patients are refusing medication, 812 00:44:56,824 --> 00:45:00,045 and they start to decline in 813 00:45:00,045 --> 00:45:02,047 their functioning and in their wellness, 814 00:45:02,047 --> 00:45:05,398 then some of the older methods 815 00:45:05,398 --> 00:45:09,228 of coping with mental patients comes into play. 816 00:45:14,494 --> 00:45:19,804 ♪ Old McDonald had a farm, E, I, E, I, O. ♪ 817 00:45:19,804 --> 00:45:23,416 ♪ And on that farm he had a pig, E, I, E, I, O. ♪ 818 00:45:23,416 --> 00:45:26,854 ♪ With an oink oink here and an oink oink there, ♪ 819 00:45:26,854 --> 00:45:29,335 ♪ here an oink, everywhere an oink oink, ♪ 820 00:45:29,335 --> 00:45:33,992 ♪ Old McDonald had a farm, E, I, E, I, O. ♪ 821 00:45:33,992 --> 00:45:36,908 EARLE: I remember when she came here in 2005, 822 00:45:36,908 --> 00:45:39,737 she was like a wild animal. 823 00:45:50,138 --> 00:45:52,358 And she was in five point restraints 824 00:45:52,358 --> 00:45:57,102 because she was so wild and out of control. 825 00:45:57,102 --> 00:46:00,496 And in two years she was stabilized 826 00:46:00,496 --> 00:46:03,499 and she was the best that we could possibly do with her. 827 00:46:03,499 --> 00:46:05,501 Her risk was low enough 828 00:46:05,501 --> 00:46:07,547 to get her back out in the community. 829 00:46:07,547 --> 00:46:10,942 And we had high hopes for her. 830 00:46:10,942 --> 00:46:13,988 I really missed you. What happened to you? 831 00:46:13,988 --> 00:46:15,381 Oh, how are you? 832 00:46:15,381 --> 00:46:18,514 EARLE: I'll tell you, I've seen Carole at her best. 833 00:46:18,514 --> 00:46:21,082 And if she's encouraged, it's very encouraging 834 00:46:21,082 --> 00:46:22,997 for me and the other staff to see how she does. 835 00:46:22,997 --> 00:46:23,868 I'm good. 836 00:46:23,868 --> 00:46:25,521 Are you okay?I'm good. 837 00:46:25,521 --> 00:46:29,699 Hey, Carole. 838 00:46:29,699 --> 00:46:32,354 EARLE: She can be kind. 839 00:46:32,354 --> 00:46:36,184 She can come up and give you compliments. 840 00:46:36,184 --> 00:46:38,230 Yeah, that was fun. 841 00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:41,102 EARLE: But on the flip side of that, 842 00:46:41,102 --> 00:46:42,582 ten minutes later she'll come up 843 00:46:42,582 --> 00:46:43,539 and call you a cocksucker, 844 00:46:43,539 --> 00:46:45,454 and say she hopes that your kids die 845 00:46:45,454 --> 00:46:49,894 and she hopes that you crash your car on the way home. 846 00:46:56,988 --> 00:46:58,206 I remember one morning she came up to me - 847 00:46:58,206 --> 00:47:02,689 it was about 5:00 in the morning - 848 00:47:02,689 --> 00:47:04,952 and she called me a cocksucker and hated me, 849 00:47:04,952 --> 00:47:07,259 and she was kicking out the door 850 00:47:07,259 --> 00:47:07,999 and punching at the door. 851 00:47:07,999 --> 00:47:10,915 And as she walked away she said, 852 00:47:10,915 --> 00:47:13,265 "You raped me, you raped me! 853 00:47:13,265 --> 00:47:15,310 You came into my room at night and raped me!" 854 00:47:19,662 --> 00:47:22,448 So I reported that, documented it. 855 00:47:22,448 --> 00:47:25,103 And I thought that it might not go any further than that. 856 00:47:25,103 --> 00:47:26,800 But it did. 857 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,976 She talked to Dr. James, 858 00:47:28,976 --> 00:47:32,893 and it was investigated further. 859 00:47:32,893 --> 00:47:34,112 What I heard is 860 00:47:34,112 --> 00:47:36,941 you went running down the hallways yelling, 861 00:47:36,941 --> 00:47:37,767 "Rape, rape! He raped me!" 862 00:47:37,767 --> 00:47:40,292 And -I said that? 863 00:47:40,292 --> 00:47:42,381 That's what I heard. 864 00:47:42,381 --> 00:47:43,991 EARLE: It has to be investigated 865 00:47:43,991 --> 00:47:47,908 because these people are vulnerable 866 00:47:47,908 --> 00:47:50,824 and things like that sometimes do happen, 867 00:47:50,824 --> 00:47:51,694 and they've happened in the past. 868 00:47:51,694 --> 00:47:54,567 I didn't say that though. 869 00:47:54,567 --> 00:47:56,612 DR. JAMES: Okay, well, that's what I had heard. 870 00:47:56,612 --> 00:48:00,399 And with the way things are in society, 871 00:48:00,399 --> 00:48:04,446 it can really put staff, especially male staff, 872 00:48:04,446 --> 00:48:06,535 in a really difficult position. 873 00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:09,538 No, I never said that. 874 00:48:09,538 --> 00:48:10,583 I think he heard wrong. 875 00:48:10,583 --> 00:48:11,671 Maybe I said something different, 876 00:48:11,671 --> 00:48:13,281 but I didn't say that. 877 00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:15,893 Okay. I'll look back in the chart as well, 878 00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:17,024 but that's what I - 879 00:48:17,024 --> 00:48:18,765 Or he could have heard somebody else's voice 880 00:48:18,765 --> 00:48:20,506 that sounded like me, I don't know. 881 00:48:20,506 --> 00:48:21,420 I never said he raped me. 882 00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:23,552 Okay. 883 00:48:23,552 --> 00:48:24,640 Never, I swear to God. 884 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,467 Honest to God, I'll shake your hand on it. 885 00:48:25,467 --> 00:48:27,600 Okay... 886 00:48:47,272 --> 00:48:52,668 Do you ever come down here aside from visits, Mike? 887 00:48:55,367 --> 00:48:58,544 Um, not really. 888 00:49:03,288 --> 00:49:06,465 NANCY: Following this attack on the mother, 889 00:49:06,465 --> 00:49:11,426 Mr. Stewart then called 911 at about 4:05 PM. 890 00:49:11,426 --> 00:49:21,132 [♪♪♪] 891 00:49:21,132 --> 00:49:24,004 He was found in the house when the police arrived. 892 00:49:24,004 --> 00:49:27,312 He was then arrested, escorted out of the house, 893 00:49:27,312 --> 00:49:32,186 and transported to the Renfrew OPP office. 894 00:49:32,186 --> 00:49:35,755 He remains reluctant to discuss this in detail 895 00:49:35,755 --> 00:49:38,627 as he reports that he finds the whole incident 896 00:49:38,627 --> 00:49:41,543 difficult to discuss at this time. 897 00:49:41,543 --> 00:49:47,288 KASTNER: Do you ever talk with family about what happened? 898 00:49:47,288 --> 00:49:51,336 We talk about other things. 899 00:49:51,336 --> 00:49:53,729 It's the hypersensitivity to social situations. 900 00:49:53,729 --> 00:49:56,732 So he stays with staff. 901 00:49:56,732 --> 00:49:59,779 He's worried about going into the community 902 00:49:59,779 --> 00:50:02,129 because he thinks people know 903 00:50:02,129 --> 00:50:04,175 who he is and what happened. 904 00:50:04,175 --> 00:50:05,828 SUSAN JANSMAN: How do we get him past that? 905 00:50:05,828 --> 00:50:07,526 How do we get him - 906 00:50:07,526 --> 00:50:11,138 Who do we have in our team that can get him... 907 00:50:11,138 --> 00:50:13,749 I don't think he wants to talk about it. 908 00:50:13,749 --> 00:50:15,534 I mean... 909 00:50:15,534 --> 00:50:16,752 I don't want to stir up something 910 00:50:16,752 --> 00:50:18,493 that's not going to... 911 00:50:18,493 --> 00:50:20,930 I mean, I think for the moment - 912 00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:22,019 Let's leave it and see where he goes with it. 913 00:50:28,373 --> 00:50:33,073 Okay, I'm ready to make a confession. 914 00:50:33,073 --> 00:50:37,469 And my confession is that I, ah... 915 00:50:37,469 --> 00:50:40,167 I kind of lied when I said that Mark - 916 00:50:40,167 --> 00:50:45,172 that I didn't say that Mark raped me, 917 00:50:45,172 --> 00:50:50,177 because I did say that Mark raped me. 918 00:50:50,177 --> 00:50:53,267 But I didn't remember having said that. 919 00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:58,316 INTERVIEWER: Did Mr. Earle ever touch you 920 00:50:58,316 --> 00:51:00,405 inappropriately or rape you? 921 00:51:00,405 --> 00:51:03,190 No. It was all in my mind. It was voices. 922 00:51:12,678 --> 00:51:14,984 NANCY: I do believe that the female patients here 923 00:51:14,984 --> 00:51:18,118 do cause more turmoil. 924 00:51:18,118 --> 00:51:20,686 They can be quite aggressive in their acting out. 925 00:51:20,686 --> 00:51:23,341 Banging on walls, 926 00:51:23,341 --> 00:51:25,212 actually putting holes in walls, too. 927 00:51:25,212 --> 00:51:27,301 It's incredible to imagine 928 00:51:27,301 --> 00:51:28,868 that a female patient could do that, 929 00:51:28,868 --> 00:51:30,348 but it really does happen. 930 00:51:30,348 --> 00:51:33,829 KASTNER: Who did that?That would be Carole. 931 00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:37,050 I used the palm of my... 932 00:51:37,050 --> 00:51:40,749 the ball of my hand tosmuck right into the wall. 933 00:51:40,749 --> 00:51:43,970 And I went like that 934 00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:47,104 with force until I 935 00:51:47,104 --> 00:51:51,020 punched a holeabout that deep. 936 00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:53,327 And then I turned to the wall 937 00:51:53,327 --> 00:51:57,766 and people were alittle bit scared of me. 938 00:51:57,766 --> 00:52:02,554 This is hole number one. 939 00:52:02,554 --> 00:52:06,732 Hole number two. 940 00:52:06,732 --> 00:52:11,650 And hole number threeand hole number four. 941 00:52:11,650 --> 00:52:14,392 KASTNER:And did you injure yourself? 942 00:52:14,392 --> 00:52:16,437 No. 943 00:52:16,437 --> 00:52:18,309 Your hand didn't hurtafter punching four holes? 944 00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:22,139 It stung a bitbut I didn't hurt myself. 945 00:52:22,139 --> 00:52:24,793 I didn't cut myselfor anything. 946 00:52:24,793 --> 00:52:27,144 NANCY: But Carole, she's outstanding 947 00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:28,493 for putting holes through walls. 948 00:52:28,493 --> 00:52:31,539 We don't quite know how she had the strength to do it, 949 00:52:31,539 --> 00:52:33,628 but somehow she did. 950 00:52:33,628 --> 00:52:36,109 KASTNER: Have you everseriously injured anybody? 951 00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:38,416 Not seriously, no. 952 00:52:38,416 --> 00:52:40,679 What's the worst thatyou've done in a fight? 953 00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:43,072 Give them a black eye. 954 00:52:43,072 --> 00:52:44,770 That's the worst physical injury 955 00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:45,771 you've inflicted on anybody? 956 00:52:45,771 --> 00:52:50,471 Yes. Absolutely. 957 00:52:50,471 --> 00:52:52,865 Oh, they're cans? 958 00:52:52,865 --> 00:52:55,911 I ordered bottles. 959 00:52:55,911 --> 00:52:59,306 I ordered bottles. 960 00:52:59,306 --> 00:53:02,004 I ordered bottles. 961 00:53:02,004 --> 00:53:04,877 NANCY: She was the most challenging patient by far, 962 00:53:04,877 --> 00:53:08,272 considered by all the staff. 963 00:53:08,272 --> 00:53:12,101 [Justine giggling] 964 00:53:17,368 --> 00:53:20,066 Me and Ashley Smith liked 965 00:53:20,066 --> 00:53:25,245 to tie strings around our neck. 966 00:53:25,245 --> 00:53:29,075 Mostly to probably catch the attention of staff. 967 00:53:33,297 --> 00:53:36,300 NANCY: We were also really concerned 968 00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:39,172 about a recent incident 969 00:53:39,172 --> 00:53:41,479 where she'd torn up a facecloth 970 00:53:41,479 --> 00:53:46,745 and tied it together to make herself a ligature. 971 00:53:46,745 --> 00:53:49,835 Tied it tightly around her neck, 972 00:53:49,835 --> 00:53:52,490 and tried to strangle herself. 973 00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:55,841 She was - 974 00:53:55,841 --> 00:53:58,757 When staff found her on the floor in the shower room, 975 00:53:58,757 --> 00:54:01,847 she was blue and not responding 976 00:54:01,847 --> 00:54:05,503 to our verbal commands. 977 00:54:05,503 --> 00:54:06,982 So we called a code blue, 978 00:54:06,982 --> 00:54:09,768 as we call it here in the hospital, 979 00:54:09,768 --> 00:54:12,118 and staff ran 980 00:54:12,118 --> 00:54:15,513 and we brought a noose-cutter to that area, 981 00:54:15,513 --> 00:54:20,387 and they used it to cut the ligature off her neck. 982 00:54:20,387 --> 00:54:23,477 After that was removed, 983 00:54:23,477 --> 00:54:24,870 the colour started to return to her face 984 00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:28,308 and she started to respond. 985 00:54:28,308 --> 00:54:32,356 We thought it was a close call 986 00:54:32,356 --> 00:54:36,011 and we're always watching for the next time. 987 00:54:36,011 --> 00:54:40,712 It was mostly because when you tie 988 00:54:40,712 --> 00:54:44,019 a string around your neck you get really dizzy, 989 00:54:44,019 --> 00:54:47,414 and the feeling of 990 00:54:47,414 --> 00:54:50,852 being passed out feels good. 991 00:54:50,852 --> 00:54:54,203 It's like almost like a high. 992 00:54:54,203 --> 00:54:58,207 And that's what I was looking for - 993 00:54:58,207 --> 00:55:02,647 that feeling that you get when you almost die. 994 00:55:02,647 --> 00:55:07,652 I like that feeling. 995 00:55:07,652 --> 00:55:09,523 We did save her life. 996 00:55:09,523 --> 00:55:11,569 We did save her life. 997 00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:15,094 Yeah. 998 00:55:15,094 --> 00:55:18,097 And we know that it's all a matter of time 999 00:55:18,097 --> 00:55:20,273 with these strangulation attempts and so on. 1000 00:55:20,273 --> 00:55:23,581 Sometimes it's just in a matter of time 1001 00:55:23,581 --> 00:55:27,933 if we save them or not. 1002 00:55:27,933 --> 00:56:09,366 [♪♪♪] 1003 00:56:09,366 --> 00:56:11,324 KASTNER:You're the fastest smoker 1004 00:56:11,324 --> 00:56:13,370 I've ever seen in my life. 1005 00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:14,936 I saw one in Montreala lot faster than me. 1006 00:56:14,936 --> 00:56:17,896 John, one of my friends, eh? 1007 00:56:17,896 --> 00:56:23,380 Used to smoke like that! 1008 00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:27,122 At least you don't waste a cigarette that way, eh? 1009 00:56:47,752 --> 00:56:51,190 KASTNER: How did it start with you and Sal? 1010 00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:54,802 CAROLE: I was attracted to him at first. 1011 00:56:54,802 --> 00:56:57,762 That he was a good-looking, handsome guy 1012 00:56:57,762 --> 00:57:00,895 and that he was a gentleman. 1013 00:57:00,895 --> 00:57:05,552 I didn't know him very well but he would go like that, 1014 00:57:05,552 --> 00:57:10,514 put my hair over my ear like that. 1015 00:57:10,514 --> 00:57:15,562 He'd go like that, sort of mess up my hair. 1016 00:57:15,562 --> 00:57:20,001 And then he asked me if I wanted to go out with him. 1017 00:57:27,922 --> 00:57:29,533 KASTNER: What about girls? 1018 00:57:29,533 --> 00:57:32,187 You had a relationship with a young lady here? 1019 00:57:32,187 --> 00:57:33,711 I have had a relationship with her. 1020 00:57:33,711 --> 00:57:36,670 KASTNER: That's Carole. 1021 00:57:36,670 --> 00:57:40,457 SAL: Carole... 1022 00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:42,763 KASTNER: It's an open secret that there is sexual activity 1023 00:57:42,763 --> 00:57:45,113 between some of the patients. 1024 00:57:45,113 --> 00:57:47,899 The patients are not allowed in each other's rooms? 1025 00:57:47,899 --> 00:57:50,989 No.Where does this activity happen? 1026 00:57:50,989 --> 00:57:52,860 [Laughs] 1027 00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:54,993 We both had the same reaction! 1028 00:57:54,993 --> 00:57:56,821 Everywhere else. 1029 00:57:56,821 --> 00:57:57,735 Everywhere and anywhere and unbeknownst to us. 1030 00:57:57,735 --> 00:58:00,955 We try not to catch them. 1031 00:58:00,955 --> 00:58:04,002 We can't allow it on the ward. 1032 00:58:04,002 --> 00:58:04,568 ANGELA: When's your birthday? 1033 00:58:04,568 --> 00:58:06,961 SAL: November. 1034 00:58:06,961 --> 00:58:08,963 November?Yeah. 1035 00:58:08,963 --> 00:58:09,703 Shaved your head.Yeah, you like it? 1036 00:58:09,703 --> 00:58:12,619 Yeah, it looks good. 1037 00:58:12,619 --> 00:58:14,534 DR. BRADFORD: We don't encourage it, 1038 00:58:14,534 --> 00:58:16,710 but we realize it's going to happen. 1039 00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:18,016 I mean, once people have access 1040 00:58:18,016 --> 00:58:20,671 to the community and have freedom - 1041 00:58:20,671 --> 00:58:21,410 or even freedom to go on the grounds 1042 00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:24,326 indirectly supervised, you know, 1043 00:58:24,326 --> 00:58:25,806 there's lots of opportunities 1044 00:58:25,806 --> 00:58:27,939 for some kind of sexual engagement. 1045 00:58:27,939 --> 00:58:30,942 Well, are they behind a hedge or something? 1046 00:58:30,942 --> 00:58:32,204 DEBBIE: Or in the middle of the lawn. 1047 00:58:32,204 --> 00:58:35,773 Behind a hedge is considered discrete here. 1048 00:58:35,773 --> 00:58:37,514 Oh, yeah. 1049 00:58:37,514 --> 00:58:38,558 We've had patients do it on the ward 1050 00:58:38,558 --> 00:58:40,604 that we didn't know about till the bed broke. 1051 00:58:40,604 --> 00:58:43,041 [Laughs] 1052 00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:45,522 Honest to God, it's like, Bang! "Uh-oh." 1053 00:58:52,616 --> 00:58:56,315 ♪ Sun's shining today. 1054 00:58:56,315 --> 00:58:59,971 My baby is looking at me. 1055 00:58:59,971 --> 00:59:04,192 ♪ And I'm a-lookin' at him right now, ♪ 1056 00:59:04,192 --> 00:59:09,546 ♪ making him smile, making him laugh and giggle. ♪ 1057 00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:13,593 ♪ Just like a jigsaw puzzle. 1058 00:59:13,593 --> 00:59:17,641 ♪ This song I made up, so don't get me wrong, ♪ 1059 00:59:17,641 --> 00:59:21,383 ♪ I know my own song, if you know what I mean. ♪ 1060 00:59:21,383 --> 00:59:25,736 ♪ You're the one for me, oh yeah, for sure. ♪ 1061 00:59:25,736 --> 00:59:27,476 ♪ He knows who I'm talking about. ♪ 1062 00:59:27,476 --> 00:59:30,088 [Giggles] 1063 00:59:35,484 --> 00:59:39,314 Yeah, music is a wonderful thing. 1064 00:59:39,314 --> 00:59:42,927 You know, it's a form of expression. 1065 00:59:42,927 --> 00:59:45,016 Anyways, I'm going in, it's too cold. 1066 00:59:53,851 --> 00:59:56,418 DR. BRADFORD: It's not unusual in schizophrenia 1067 00:59:56,418 --> 01:00:00,205 for people to have ambivalence. 1068 01:00:00,205 --> 01:00:01,989 So what happens, 1069 01:00:01,989 --> 01:00:03,425 people have a certain level of comfort. 1070 01:00:03,425 --> 01:00:05,427 They're willing to do something, 1071 01:00:05,427 --> 01:00:07,255 and then they become ambivalent 1072 01:00:07,255 --> 01:00:10,041 and they withdraw again. 1073 01:00:10,041 --> 01:00:13,218 WHALEN: We were talking, Mike, about, 1074 01:00:13,218 --> 01:00:14,698 you know, not right now, 1075 01:00:14,698 --> 01:00:18,005 but looking down the road maybe in a few months or that, 1076 01:00:18,005 --> 01:00:21,095 possible community placement options. 1077 01:00:21,095 --> 01:00:24,272 Now, we're lucky, with your disposition, 1078 01:00:24,272 --> 01:00:26,666 that we have all options open. 1079 01:00:26,666 --> 01:00:27,928 You know, anywhere from group home 1080 01:00:27,928 --> 01:00:31,192 to independent living to co-op. 1081 01:00:31,192 --> 01:00:33,542 Is that something you'd be ready for 1082 01:00:33,542 --> 01:00:35,719 in the next couple of months, do you think? 1083 01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:39,679 Well I don't... 1084 01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:41,420 I'd... 1085 01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:42,900 I'd just like to... 1086 01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:45,250 Well, it's hard to say. 1087 01:00:45,250 --> 01:00:49,167 I, uh, I... 1088 01:00:49,167 --> 01:00:50,559 WHALEN: How about - You know what - 1089 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,693 In a couple of weeks we go out and look at the co-ops? 1090 01:00:53,693 --> 01:00:55,477 A couple of weeks? 1091 01:00:55,477 --> 01:00:57,001 Yeah. 1092 01:00:57,001 --> 01:00:59,699 Just look, not to move in, nothing like that. 1093 01:00:59,699 --> 01:01:01,962 Or if you want, we could do it next month. 1094 01:01:01,962 --> 01:01:04,051 I'll get a car... 1095 01:01:04,051 --> 01:01:07,141 I don't know why we're going so quick. 1096 01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:24,855 There was another girl I wanted to be my girlfriend - 1097 01:01:24,855 --> 01:01:27,074 Justine. Do you know who Justine is? 1098 01:01:27,074 --> 01:01:29,337 She wanted to be my girlfriend too. 1099 01:01:29,337 --> 01:01:31,426 KASTNER: You dated Sal for awhile. 1100 01:01:31,426 --> 01:01:33,602 Me? 1101 01:01:33,602 --> 01:01:35,604 We didn't really date, we just kind of - 1102 01:01:35,604 --> 01:01:38,912 It was just kind of a fling. 1103 01:01:38,912 --> 01:01:42,307 KASTNER: Did Carole find out about it? 1104 01:01:42,307 --> 01:01:44,004 JUSTINE: I don't think so, no. 1105 01:01:49,009 --> 01:01:51,185 I didn't get it at 11, I'm telling you. 1106 01:01:51,185 --> 01:01:54,885 I didn't get it at 11. 1107 01:01:54,885 --> 01:01:56,930 SAL: I don't want a girlfriend. 1108 01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:59,454 It's just girls ask me if I want them to be my girlfriends. 1109 01:01:59,454 --> 01:02:02,501 I say okay, but I didn't do anything, you know? 1110 01:02:02,501 --> 01:02:04,459 Yeah, I don't like her. 1111 01:02:04,459 --> 01:02:06,853 Do you? 1112 01:02:06,853 --> 01:02:08,028 I don't know, I don't really care about her. 1113 01:02:08,028 --> 01:02:10,248 But I like her a little bit, yeah. 1114 01:02:10,248 --> 01:02:13,077 I used to buy coffees off her, dollar a coffee. 1115 01:02:13,077 --> 01:02:15,340 She'd give me cream, sugar and coffee. 1116 01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:19,170 Remember Judy punched Justine in the head? 1117 01:02:23,783 --> 01:02:26,568 Judy punched me in the head three times 1118 01:02:26,568 --> 01:02:28,179 and then got put upstairs. 1119 01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:37,797 I did call the police on her when she punched me. 1120 01:02:37,797 --> 01:02:39,103 And they said she's here for life. 1121 01:02:39,103 --> 01:02:41,670 There's nothing really we can do. 1122 01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:46,501 [Judy laughing] 1123 01:02:46,501 --> 01:02:49,983 It's like her, you know. 1124 01:02:49,983 --> 01:02:50,810 She's a rat-fink. 1125 01:02:50,810 --> 01:02:52,769 She called the cops. 1126 01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:55,597 You're good, you know that. 1127 01:02:55,597 --> 01:02:56,860 I like you. 1128 01:02:56,860 --> 01:02:58,426 Thanks. 1129 01:02:58,426 --> 01:03:01,386 And you're one of the best boyfriends I've ever had. 1130 01:03:01,386 --> 01:03:03,127 That's cool, thanks. 1131 01:03:03,127 --> 01:03:06,608 Go for a smoke?Wanna go for a smoke? 1132 01:03:16,270 --> 01:03:21,188 It was Carole who was jealous because I was saying hi to Sal. 1133 01:03:21,188 --> 01:03:24,235 And she's like, "You know that's my boyfriend, right? 1134 01:03:24,235 --> 01:03:26,933 And you need to keep your hands and your mouth 1135 01:03:26,933 --> 01:03:29,893 and your face away from him or I'll punch you." 1136 01:03:29,893 --> 01:03:33,200 "Oh, okay. Didn't know you owned him." 1137 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,507 Give me a kiss? 1138 01:03:35,507 --> 01:03:38,162 Thank you. 1139 01:03:38,162 --> 01:03:39,946 Almost fell on my ass. 1140 01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:49,216 And if I understand, 1141 01:03:49,216 --> 01:03:51,001 you were worried about going home. 1142 01:03:51,001 --> 01:03:52,219 You felt sort of sensitive so you made a choice 1143 01:03:52,219 --> 01:03:55,309 not to go home this Christmas, is that right? 1144 01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:58,704 Yeah, that's pretty much it. 1145 01:03:58,704 --> 01:04:00,053 Okay. 1146 01:04:00,053 --> 01:04:05,058 The visit, I just - it would... 1147 01:04:05,058 --> 01:04:09,628 It would be troublesome and somewhat, uh... 1148 01:04:09,628 --> 01:04:12,239 Like I just... 1149 01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:14,459 Right. 1150 01:04:24,382 --> 01:04:27,341 DAVID: I think he suffers every day 1151 01:04:27,341 --> 01:04:30,040 from the loss of his life. 1152 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:34,131 The life that he could have had. 1153 01:04:34,131 --> 01:04:37,786 He doesn't speak of it much, 1154 01:04:37,786 --> 01:04:40,659 but he has spoken of it from time to time. 1155 01:04:40,659 --> 01:04:44,793 So I've made strides, 1156 01:04:44,793 --> 01:04:49,146 but I want to make it so I can hold down - 1157 01:04:49,146 --> 01:04:51,626 Start with, hold down some kind of a job 1158 01:04:51,626 --> 01:04:55,326 and then see if I can 1159 01:04:55,326 --> 01:04:59,460 try to salvage something here of my life. 1160 01:04:59,460 --> 01:05:03,073 Because I'm a little old 1161 01:05:03,073 --> 01:05:05,989 for college or university. 1162 01:05:05,989 --> 01:05:07,991 KASTNER: How old are you? 1163 01:05:07,991 --> 01:05:10,341 I'm 33 years old. 1164 01:05:10,341 --> 01:05:11,646 So that leaves me with another option, right? 1165 01:05:11,646 --> 01:05:14,562 I can get work. 1166 01:05:14,562 --> 01:05:18,610 Now, I think for someone 1167 01:05:18,610 --> 01:05:21,308 with my limited qualifications, 1168 01:05:21,308 --> 01:05:22,092 it might have to be 1169 01:05:22,092 --> 01:05:25,443 in something like retail to start. 1170 01:05:29,316 --> 01:05:31,536 DAVID: I know that it's there with him. 1171 01:05:31,536 --> 01:05:34,626 He would like to have a life. 1172 01:05:40,327 --> 01:05:43,896 Carole, you've been here quite awhile.Yeah. 1173 01:05:43,896 --> 01:05:45,854 And you get along well 1174 01:05:45,854 --> 01:05:47,726 with the females that are on the unit, all the women? 1175 01:05:47,726 --> 01:05:49,946 Well, sometimes I get jealous, 1176 01:05:49,946 --> 01:05:52,600 because there's one person we all know 1177 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,516 who tried to steal my boyfriend. 1178 01:05:55,516 --> 01:05:57,214 That was a no-no. 1179 01:05:57,214 --> 01:05:59,303 I was ready to push her down the stairs. 1180 01:05:59,303 --> 01:06:00,826 Oh dear. 1181 01:06:00,826 --> 01:06:02,219 Okay. 1182 01:06:02,219 --> 01:06:04,699 [Both laugh] 1183 01:06:04,699 --> 01:06:07,702 That's quite extreme, isn't it?Yeah. 1184 01:06:10,705 --> 01:06:14,405 CAROLE: And that person said, "What's your problem?" 1185 01:06:14,405 --> 01:06:17,712 And I went like that and I almost punched her, 1186 01:06:17,712 --> 01:06:20,193 and she got up and tried to punch me. 1187 01:06:20,193 --> 01:06:21,542 She flipped a table 1188 01:06:21,542 --> 01:06:23,501 and got me right in the mid-section. 1189 01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:25,329 Oh, okay. 1190 01:06:25,329 --> 01:06:29,159 And that's why that table is kind of wobbly. 1191 01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:30,638 You know which one I mean. 1192 01:06:30,638 --> 01:06:31,422 Yeah. 1193 01:06:31,422 --> 01:06:34,120 Is it harder for a woman here? 1194 01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,949 Yes, it's much harder for a woman. 1195 01:06:36,949 --> 01:06:39,430 Why is that? 1196 01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:42,128 Because there's so many guys, our hormones are racing. 1197 01:06:46,045 --> 01:06:49,701 Whenever I'm close to my due date for my injection, 1198 01:06:49,701 --> 01:06:53,357 my hormones have already gotten the get-go. 1199 01:06:53,357 --> 01:06:55,489 Yeah, yeah. 1200 01:06:55,489 --> 01:07:00,407 So in general you got along well with all the females? 1201 01:07:00,407 --> 01:07:02,192 Except for one, yeah.Yeah? 1202 01:07:14,465 --> 01:07:16,510 DR. BRADFORD: One day he just said, 1203 01:07:16,510 --> 01:07:19,209 "I'm ready and I want to go out into the community." 1204 01:07:19,209 --> 01:07:23,126 And that then gave us the reason to go ahead. 1205 01:07:23,126 --> 01:07:27,521 MIKE: I have recently got the privilege 1206 01:07:27,521 --> 01:07:30,089 where I can go into the community unescorted, 1207 01:07:30,089 --> 01:07:33,701 but I have to fill out an itinerary. 1208 01:07:33,701 --> 01:07:34,833 There you are.Okay, thank you. 1209 01:07:34,833 --> 01:07:37,749 Detailing where I'm going, 1210 01:07:37,749 --> 01:07:41,883 what streets I'm taking, 1211 01:07:41,883 --> 01:07:45,931 and the different times I'll be at the different landmarks. 1212 01:07:45,931 --> 01:07:50,849 It's supposed to be almost down to the minute. 1213 01:07:50,849 --> 01:07:52,068 There you go, bud.Thanks, Bob. 1214 01:07:52,068 --> 01:07:55,375 We'll see you in a bit.Yeah. 1215 01:08:16,875 --> 01:08:18,137 DAVID: Doesn't have to have any supervision, 1216 01:08:18,137 --> 01:08:20,879 doesn't have to report to anyone, 1217 01:08:20,879 --> 01:08:23,229 doesn't have to maintain his medication, 1218 01:08:23,229 --> 01:08:24,622 doesn't have to... 1219 01:08:24,622 --> 01:08:28,539 Free as you or I. 1220 01:08:28,539 --> 01:08:29,279 KASTNER: And what do you think of that? 1221 01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:33,239 Well, I'm speaking of Michael now 1222 01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:35,807 when I say that I don't think he should ever 1223 01:08:35,807 --> 01:08:39,941 have an absolute discharge. 1224 01:08:39,941 --> 01:08:42,857 I think he should have lots and lots of liberty, 1225 01:08:42,857 --> 01:08:46,861 but almost all sufferers go off their medication. 1226 01:08:46,861 --> 01:08:51,301 He gets ill quite quickly. 1227 01:08:51,301 --> 01:08:53,999 So in his case, at least, 1228 01:08:53,999 --> 01:08:56,436 I don't think that an absolute discharge 1229 01:08:56,436 --> 01:08:59,526 should ever be available to him. 1230 01:09:23,811 --> 01:09:27,075 DEBBIE: The female patients here, 1231 01:09:27,075 --> 01:09:31,079 all of them just want to be an ordinary woman. 1232 01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:34,648 They still want to get married, 1233 01:09:34,648 --> 01:09:37,564 and have children, and have a house, 1234 01:09:37,564 --> 01:09:41,481 and they have the same dreams and aspirations. 1235 01:09:41,481 --> 01:09:43,004 And for some reason 1236 01:09:43,004 --> 01:09:45,181 they're all of a sudden put into 1237 01:09:45,181 --> 01:09:47,226 this position where everything stops. 1238 01:09:47,226 --> 01:09:50,011 Their whole life and their dreams change. 1239 01:09:54,886 --> 01:09:57,280 JUSTINE: I have two girls. 1240 01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,543 One's nine and one's seven - 1241 01:09:59,543 --> 01:10:01,022 Jasmine and Angelique. 1242 01:10:01,022 --> 01:10:02,981 I had them when I was younger 1243 01:10:02,981 --> 01:10:03,982 and I was in an abusive relationship, 1244 01:10:03,982 --> 01:10:07,942 so they took my kids from me. 1245 01:10:07,942 --> 01:10:08,900 KASTNER: And you had a third child? 1246 01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:11,903 Yes, but he died of Zellweger's - 1247 01:10:11,903 --> 01:10:16,429 but that's a different father. 1248 01:10:18,997 --> 01:10:22,870 I had a cross that had Alex's ashes in it. 1249 01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:26,265 And it was a necklace, 1250 01:10:26,265 --> 01:10:28,224 and it was always kept close to my heart 1251 01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:31,183 so that he would always be with me. 1252 01:10:31,183 --> 01:10:33,794 I would show it to you, 1253 01:10:33,794 --> 01:10:37,145 but I got into a fight the other day 1254 01:10:37,145 --> 01:10:38,321 and she just ripped it off my neck 1255 01:10:38,321 --> 01:10:41,802 and said, "There, bitch, now you can suffer." 1256 01:10:59,211 --> 01:11:02,170 It's my favourite bear. 1257 01:11:02,170 --> 01:11:04,085 His name is Sam. 1258 01:11:08,742 --> 01:11:13,530 I named him that. 1259 01:11:13,530 --> 01:11:17,621 So I always wanted a boy 1260 01:11:17,621 --> 01:11:21,668 and my boydied at birth. 1261 01:11:21,668 --> 01:11:25,368 So I thought they gaveme a large teddy bear 1262 01:11:25,368 --> 01:11:29,023 and maybe he wouldtake the pain away. 1263 01:11:29,023 --> 01:11:31,374 So he's been - 1264 01:11:31,374 --> 01:11:36,422 even though he's not real,he still helps me. 1265 01:11:36,422 --> 01:11:40,252 I still snuggle him,hug him and kiss him 1266 01:11:40,252 --> 01:11:42,994 like he was an actual boy. 1267 01:11:42,994 --> 01:11:43,908 It's like thePinocchio story - 1268 01:11:43,908 --> 01:11:46,258 the boy becomes real. 1269 01:11:46,258 --> 01:11:50,610 The wooden doll becomesa real little boy 1270 01:11:50,610 --> 01:11:55,049 because he learnsto stop lying. 1271 01:11:59,140 --> 01:12:04,145 And the boy thathad Pinocchio... 1272 01:12:04,145 --> 01:12:08,149 It was like a doll friend. 1273 01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:11,239 Always believedthat he was real. 1274 01:12:11,239 --> 01:12:15,592 And he did becomereal in the end. 1275 01:12:15,592 --> 01:12:20,988 I know he'll never become realbut he's still my baby. 1276 01:12:55,240 --> 01:13:20,961 [♪♪♪] 1277 01:13:20,961 --> 01:13:24,138 People suffering from schizophrenia 1278 01:13:24,138 --> 01:13:26,793 and major depression with psychosis 1279 01:13:26,793 --> 01:13:29,361 kill family members. 1280 01:13:29,361 --> 01:13:32,277 Once they recover, 1281 01:13:32,277 --> 01:13:35,411 they then realize that they've 1282 01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:40,328 done this terrible, terrible thing. 1283 01:13:40,328 --> 01:13:45,029 He still hasn't forgiven himself. 1284 01:13:45,029 --> 01:13:47,292 I mean, I see him every week or two, 1285 01:13:47,292 --> 01:13:49,337 I struggle with... 1286 01:13:49,337 --> 01:13:51,339 He knows intellectually 1287 01:13:51,339 --> 01:13:55,082 that he was mentally ill at the time. 1288 01:13:55,082 --> 01:13:59,086 He has never, ever forgiven himself. 1289 01:14:02,829 --> 01:14:07,878 PETER: It compounds his sorrow when he knows that 1290 01:14:07,878 --> 01:14:12,317 we've lost our mom at his hands as well. 1291 01:14:14,972 --> 01:14:19,150 One could only imagine the horror 1292 01:14:19,150 --> 01:14:22,022 in those moments 1293 01:14:22,022 --> 01:14:26,984 when he allows himself to recall that day. 1294 01:14:26,984 --> 01:14:30,335 And I don't know what would be worse - 1295 01:14:30,335 --> 01:14:32,337 whether the days when he's perfectly lucid 1296 01:14:32,337 --> 01:14:36,776 are more painful for him to endure, 1297 01:14:36,776 --> 01:14:40,432 or the days when he's not well. 1298 01:14:40,432 --> 01:14:42,478 But I can only imagine 1299 01:14:42,478 --> 01:14:44,697 that it's a living hell 1300 01:14:44,697 --> 01:14:48,788 every single day, 1301 01:14:48,788 --> 01:14:53,271 and some days are worse than others. 1302 01:14:56,796 --> 01:14:58,972 KASTNER: Let me just ask you before we continue. 1303 01:14:58,972 --> 01:15:00,757 Are you okay? 1304 01:15:00,757 --> 01:15:01,801 Um, I think I'm fine, yeah. 1305 01:15:01,801 --> 01:15:04,804 Okay. you'll say so. 1306 01:15:04,804 --> 01:15:06,937 If you want to stop it, it's okay. 1307 01:15:06,937 --> 01:15:08,895 It's cool, man.Okay. 1308 01:15:08,895 --> 01:15:10,375 Okay?Okay. 1309 01:15:10,375 --> 01:15:12,203 This is amazing. 1310 01:15:12,203 --> 01:15:13,421 I didn't expect you to go this far, 1311 01:15:13,421 --> 01:15:18,339 so if it's troubling to you, if it's upsetting to you, 1312 01:15:18,339 --> 01:15:20,907 you can say that's enough for today type of thing. 1313 01:15:20,907 --> 01:15:23,649 We can proceed.Okay, alright. 1314 01:15:23,649 --> 01:15:25,085 Thank you. 1315 01:15:31,178 --> 01:15:36,096 It was foggy in the beginning. 1316 01:15:36,096 --> 01:15:41,232 Um, I uh... 1317 01:15:41,232 --> 01:15:46,063 I had trouble accepting my... 1318 01:15:46,063 --> 01:15:48,892 diagnosis. 1319 01:15:48,892 --> 01:15:51,982 And uh... 1320 01:15:51,982 --> 01:15:55,072 I... 1321 01:15:55,072 --> 01:15:58,815 there was a time... 1322 01:15:58,815 --> 01:16:03,559 when I had... 1323 01:16:03,559 --> 01:16:06,910 things were all well with basically anyone that I knew. 1324 01:16:06,910 --> 01:16:09,347 I didn't really have enemies. 1325 01:16:09,347 --> 01:16:13,699 And then... 1326 01:16:13,699 --> 01:16:16,267 I didn't have any enemies. 1327 01:16:16,267 --> 01:16:19,749 So why would I... 1328 01:16:19,749 --> 01:16:23,143 do something like this 1329 01:16:23,143 --> 01:16:28,018 to someone that... 1330 01:16:28,018 --> 01:16:29,933 I - it's... 1331 01:16:29,933 --> 01:16:33,371 It's... 1332 01:16:39,029 --> 01:16:41,988 Like right after, 1333 01:16:41,988 --> 01:16:44,382 like we're talking days, 1334 01:16:44,382 --> 01:16:49,822 I was calling them and asking for forgiveness. 1335 01:16:49,822 --> 01:16:51,258 Days. 1336 01:16:51,258 --> 01:16:56,916 Like, it would be weird because I would, 1337 01:16:56,916 --> 01:17:00,006 if I was feeling particularly bad, 1338 01:17:00,006 --> 01:17:02,443 I would call my dad or my sister, 1339 01:17:02,443 --> 01:17:04,663 something like that, 1340 01:17:04,663 --> 01:17:08,667 and I would just say, "I'm feeling horrible." 1341 01:17:08,667 --> 01:17:12,105 There'd be no... 1342 01:17:12,105 --> 01:17:15,892 sense to the conversation. 1343 01:17:15,892 --> 01:17:19,286 It would be just me saying, "I'm sorry," you know? 1344 01:17:22,638 --> 01:17:25,205 Forgiveness and trust 1345 01:17:25,205 --> 01:17:30,080 are such slow things to earn 1346 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,300 that it's... 1347 01:17:35,781 --> 01:17:40,656 I wanted to make sure... 1348 01:17:42,832 --> 01:17:45,486 I just wanted to call them 1349 01:17:45,486 --> 01:17:47,663 and make sure that they would... 1350 01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:49,099 Well, I was fearful that 1351 01:17:49,099 --> 01:17:52,537 I would be abandoned, you know? So... 1352 01:17:57,020 --> 01:18:01,198 KASTNER: You all love and support Michael? 1353 01:18:01,198 --> 01:18:04,331 Unreservedly. 1354 01:18:04,331 --> 01:18:06,246 Definitely. 1355 01:18:06,246 --> 01:18:09,423 Mmhm. 1356 01:18:09,423 --> 01:18:15,038 Now it's turned to the fact that I've come to realize 1357 01:18:15,038 --> 01:18:19,390 that my immediate family 1358 01:18:19,390 --> 01:18:22,654 are my - 1359 01:18:22,654 --> 01:18:26,049 For some unknown reason, 1360 01:18:26,049 --> 01:18:30,227 they've stuck by me, so... 1361 01:18:30,227 --> 01:18:32,490 The question of how we could 1362 01:18:32,490 --> 01:18:37,408 forgive someone like Michael 1363 01:18:37,408 --> 01:18:41,325 is a classic example of blaming the victim. 1364 01:18:41,325 --> 01:18:45,242 JOHN: Seems like such an obvious analogy, 1365 01:18:45,242 --> 01:18:48,245 but you don't forgive someone 1366 01:18:48,245 --> 01:18:52,945 for contracting their cancer. 1367 01:18:55,208 --> 01:18:57,950 Mom unfortunately lost her life. 1368 01:18:57,950 --> 01:19:02,433 But it's important to keep in mind 1369 01:19:02,433 --> 01:19:05,088 that there are two victims in this story, 1370 01:19:05,088 --> 01:19:08,439 and one of them happens to still be suffering. 1371 01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:13,444 Michael survived the terrible event 1372 01:19:13,444 --> 01:19:16,534 but he continues to suffer. 1373 01:19:16,534 --> 01:19:19,450 It seemed like the positive memories 1374 01:19:19,450 --> 01:19:24,455 and the negative memories both cause me pain. 1375 01:19:24,455 --> 01:19:26,849 Because... 1376 01:19:26,849 --> 01:19:29,895 look what I've done. 1377 01:19:29,895 --> 01:19:32,071 I... 1378 01:19:32,071 --> 01:19:37,076 I've impacted so many... 1379 01:19:37,076 --> 01:19:41,733 I've impacted this network of people. 1380 01:19:41,733 --> 01:19:46,738 I think that, with the loss of a loved one, 1381 01:19:46,738 --> 01:19:51,787 with an act of unthinkable violence such as this, 1382 01:19:51,787 --> 01:19:56,617 our instinct is to look for the fault, 1383 01:19:56,617 --> 01:19:59,359 look for the cause of it. 1384 01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:01,927 But we make a terrible mistake to think that 1385 01:20:01,927 --> 01:20:06,366 that cause rests with Michael himself. 1386 01:20:06,366 --> 01:20:08,891 The cause of this tragedy is a mental disease. 1387 01:20:08,891 --> 01:20:11,937 It's a mistake to say 1388 01:20:11,937 --> 01:20:13,939 that Michael was himself her killer. 1389 01:20:13,939 --> 01:20:15,941 I mean, her killer was schizophrenia. 1390 01:20:15,941 --> 01:20:19,336 The cause of her death was this disease. 1391 01:20:19,336 --> 01:20:24,254 I'm not able to grieve the way I'd like to... 1392 01:20:24,254 --> 01:20:28,693 I have some grief, 1393 01:20:28,693 --> 01:20:32,653 but it's not... 1394 01:20:32,653 --> 01:20:36,440 It's not... 1395 01:20:38,050 --> 01:20:43,708 A feel-good grief, which I imagine... 1396 01:20:43,708 --> 01:20:47,364 'Cause... 1397 01:20:47,364 --> 01:20:49,714 from what I know, 1398 01:20:49,714 --> 01:20:53,892 some people grieve 1399 01:20:53,892 --> 01:20:59,115 loved ones with fond memories, 1400 01:20:59,115 --> 01:21:02,379 whereas I'm not - 1401 01:21:05,338 --> 01:21:09,212 I'll just say this - I'm grieving. 1402 01:21:09,212 --> 01:21:11,779 It's like if I grieve, 1403 01:21:11,779 --> 01:21:13,869 I kind - 1404 01:21:13,869 --> 01:21:15,827 unless... 1405 01:21:15,827 --> 01:21:17,829 There are odd moments that contradict this - 1406 01:21:17,829 --> 01:21:20,963 Or not odd, but spare, 1407 01:21:20,963 --> 01:21:22,965 occasional moments that contradict this. 1408 01:21:22,965 --> 01:21:26,359 But for the most part I grieve alone. 1409 01:21:36,804 --> 01:21:55,998 [♪♪♪] 1410 01:22:13,798 --> 01:22:17,628 JUSTINE: I'm not in Brockville Mental Health Centre anymore. 1411 01:22:17,628 --> 01:22:20,370 And being out of a hospital 1412 01:22:20,370 --> 01:22:24,417 and being out of an institution 1413 01:22:24,417 --> 01:22:27,290 when you've been institutionalized 1414 01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:29,379 is actually pretty difficult 1415 01:22:29,379 --> 01:22:32,425 because you're always used to having somebody around. 1416 01:22:32,425 --> 01:22:34,819 So when you're alone, 1417 01:22:34,819 --> 01:22:38,214 you're like, "Where is everybody?" 1418 01:22:42,696 --> 01:22:45,873 There's lots of upsides. 1419 01:22:45,873 --> 01:22:50,878 There's friends, family, being free. 1420 01:22:50,878 --> 01:22:52,663 You know, I can have a drink if I want, 1421 01:22:52,663 --> 01:22:55,057 I can smoke a joint. 1422 01:22:55,057 --> 01:22:58,190 I can do what I want. 1423 01:23:11,290 --> 01:23:14,293 KASTNER: Carole, I understand you have 1424 01:23:14,293 --> 01:23:17,688 a big surprise for us today. 1425 01:23:17,688 --> 01:23:19,516 I've got new teeth. 1426 01:23:19,516 --> 01:23:22,736 Tops and bottoms. 1427 01:23:22,736 --> 01:23:25,565 KASTNER: Wow... 1428 01:23:25,565 --> 01:23:27,654 That looks really great. 1429 01:23:27,654 --> 01:23:30,266 Thank you.Congratulations. 1430 01:23:30,266 --> 01:23:32,442 I feel like a million bucks. 1431 01:23:45,542 --> 01:23:48,762 Oh, what big teeth you have! 1432 01:23:52,723 --> 01:23:53,941 NURSE: Okay? Very good. 1433 01:23:53,941 --> 01:23:55,856 KASTNER: Have people noticed? 1434 01:23:55,856 --> 01:24:00,426 Oh yeah, everyone's noticed. 1435 01:24:00,426 --> 01:24:02,559 What do they say to you? 1436 01:24:02,559 --> 01:24:04,082 They're saying I look great. 1437 01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,305 Look at Sal blush. 1438 01:24:09,305 --> 01:24:10,654 Eh? 1439 01:24:10,654 --> 01:24:12,351 Sal blushes on camera. 1440 01:24:12,351 --> 01:24:13,961 That's 'cause you're cute. 1441 01:24:13,961 --> 01:24:16,442 You're blushing 'cause I'm cute? 1442 01:24:16,442 --> 01:24:19,837 Oh! 1443 01:24:19,837 --> 01:24:22,622 Don't start that in here. 1444 01:24:22,622 --> 01:24:23,449 Might never stop. 1445 01:24:23,449 --> 01:24:26,583 Huh, yeah. 1446 01:24:36,593 --> 01:24:40,640 MIKE: I guess the bottom line is I'm out of the hospital, 1447 01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,861 so I'm quite happy that I've got this far. 1448 01:24:43,861 --> 01:24:49,040 And this is my apartment. 1449 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:54,263 I'm living here with another guy 1450 01:24:54,263 --> 01:24:57,309 and it's - 1451 01:24:57,309 --> 01:24:59,746 I'm still getting used to it, 1452 01:24:59,746 --> 01:25:02,662 but that's where I'm standing now. 1453 01:25:02,662 --> 01:25:03,881 From two or three days after I got here, 1454 01:25:03,881 --> 01:25:07,798 I'm happy I made this step. 1455 01:25:07,798 --> 01:25:21,507 [♪♪♪] 1456 01:25:21,507 --> 01:25:22,943 ROGER: So you've made strides, then, 1457 01:25:22,943 --> 01:25:26,295 initial strides to, you know, 1458 01:25:26,295 --> 01:25:28,340 to get out here in the community 1459 01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:30,908 and make a life here in Brockville. 1460 01:25:30,908 --> 01:25:32,866 MIKE: For sure, it's... 1461 01:25:32,866 --> 01:25:35,565 I try to keep busy. 1462 01:25:35,565 --> 01:25:37,828 ROGER: Well what's - 1463 01:25:37,828 --> 01:25:41,092 your diagnosis is schizophrenia, eh? 1464 01:25:41,092 --> 01:25:43,399 Or just plain nuts? 1465 01:25:43,399 --> 01:25:45,227 MIKE: No, no. 1466 01:25:45,227 --> 01:25:46,576 And now that I'm here, 1467 01:25:46,576 --> 01:25:51,320 it's like at some points I'm starting to get optimistic 1468 01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:56,412 about maybe at one point 1469 01:25:56,412 --> 01:26:01,068 making further steps. 1470 01:26:01,068 --> 01:26:04,637 But the idea is to kind of take it somewhat slowly. 1471 01:26:07,162 --> 01:26:11,514 ROGER: What medication do you take? 1472 01:26:11,514 --> 01:26:15,518 MIKE: Yeah, twice a day I take medication, right? 1473 01:26:15,518 --> 01:26:17,128 ROGER: Yeah, and you find it helps? 1474 01:26:17,128 --> 01:26:19,391 MIKE: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. 1475 01:26:19,391 --> 01:26:22,481 ROGER: Otherwise you'd be pretty goofy, I suppose. 1476 01:26:22,481 --> 01:26:24,614 [Both laugh] 1477 01:26:24,614 --> 01:26:26,268 MIKE: Right. 1478 01:26:26,268 --> 01:26:27,921 Yeah, yeah, that's cool.